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		<title>JC Ryle: Unconverted Ministers are the Dry-Rot of the Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Came across this tonight. Wondered what you all thought of this&#8211;especially since Pastor/Teacher/Prophet Silva doesn&#8217;t permit comments from his sycophants readers detractors congregants disciples anyone at his &#8216;blog&#8217;:
[concerning John 10: 1 — "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/JERRYL~1.HIL/LOCALS~1/Temp/moz-screenshot-18.jpg" alt="" /><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/JERRYL~1.HIL/LOCALS~1/Temp/moz-screenshot-19.jpg" alt="" />Came across <a rel="nofollow" href="http://apprising.org/2009/07/j-c-ryle-unconverted-ministers-are-the-dry-rot-of-the-church/" target="_blank">this</a> tonight. Wondered what you all thought of this&#8211;especially since Pastor/Teacher/Prophet Silva doesn&#8217;t permit comments from his <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">sycophants</span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">readers</span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">detractors</span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">congregants</span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">disciples</span> anyone at his &#8216;blog&#8217;:</p>
<blockquote><p>[concerning John 10: 1 — <em>"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber."</em>]</p>
<p>The sentence before us is a powerful and humbling one. That is [<em>sic</em>.] condemns the Jewish teachers of our Lord’s time all men can see. There was no “door” in their ministry. They taught nothing rightly about Messiah. They rejected Christ Himself when He appeared,—but all men do not see that the sentence condemns thousands of so-called Christian teachers, quite as much as the leaders and teachers of the Jews.</p>
<p>Thousands of ordained men in the present day know nothing whatever of Christ, except His name. They have not entered “the door” themselves, and they are unable to show it to others. Well would it be for Christendom if it were more widely known, and more seriously considered! Unconverted ministers are the dry-rot of the Church. “When the blind lead the blind” both must fall in the ditch.</p>
<p>If we know the value of a man’s ministry, we must never fail to ask, Where is the Lamb? Where is the door? Does he bring forth Christ, and give Him his rightful place? (<strong><em>Expository Thoughts on the Gospels</em></strong>, Vol. 3, 176)</p>
<p><strong>J.C. Ryle</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Thousands?</p>
<p>Could you please provide some statistical proof of such an assertion? I&#8217;m genuinely interested because the way I see it, it&#8217;s more like thousands of ordained men and women are actually leaving the ministry every year because people like you, who also inhabit, occupy, and wear-out the pew, have no concept of what it actually means to be and do the gospel.</p>
<p>So, in the interest of the Gospel, could you please provide some actual evidence to validate and support your assertion?</p>
<p>(PS&#8211;I think Ryle, for all his erudition, has quite missed the point of John 10:1 (2-6) and, consequently, Pastor Silva has erred too in his haste to make some larger point validating his own &#8216;ministry&#8217; while running down and passing judgment upon the ministries of others. For all his talk about pointing to the Lamb, and the Door, and bringing forth Christ to his rightful place, he, Ryle, is doing exactly <em>the opposite</em>. The passage is, actually, demonstrating how Jesus <em>is</em> the expected one, Messiah; the Good Shepherd.</p>
<p>It is rather dangerous to extract verse 1 from its greater context of verses 1-6, indeed chapter 10 entirely. The focus of these verses is <em>not</em> the false teachers that are leading sheep blindly, even though they are clearly in the background (say, Ezekiel 34), but Jesus&#8217; claim to be the True Shepherd whom the sheep <em>recognize and follow</em>. This passage is not pointing to &#8216;false teachers&#8217; or &#8216;unconverted ministers&#8217; of our day, or even in Jesus&#8217; day, but to the True Shepherd of every day. Ryle has made a common hermeneutical mistake by attaching meaning to a verse that he has extracted from its context. Out of context, it can mean anything he wants it to mean. In it&#8217;s context it has but one meaning: The Sheep recognize the good shepherd and follow him; those same sheep reject all false shepherds, Messiahs. Turns out sheep aren&#8217;t so dumb after all. &#8220;Christ&#8217;s sheep inevitably follow him&#8221; (DA Carson, <em>The Gospel of John</em>, 383).</p>
<p>I have just a couple of points about Ryle&#8217;s application. First, Ryle says that &#8220;Thousands of ordained men in the present day know nothing whatever of Christ, except His name.&#8221; This may well be true, but that is not what Jesus says here, nor is it on his mind. Jesus says his sheep recognize him, his voice, follow him, and will not follow the voice of strangers at all. Ryle asserts a negative while Jesus is asserting a positive&#8211;and one quite opposite of Ryle&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>Jesus as &#8216;Good Shepherd&#8217; here stands in contrast <em>not</em> with teachers or ministers&#8211;whether converted or un-converted, but with other shepherds, dangerous shepherds, who are rejected by those who are truly Jesus&#8217; sheep. He, the Good Shepherd, is the one, he says, who &#8216;lays down his life for the sheep&#8217;; he is the Promised Davidic Shepherd: &#8220;The mingling of the foci&#8211;the promised shepherd is the Lord, or the promised shepherd is the Lord&#8217;s servant David&#8211;is peculiarly appropriate in a book where the Word is God, and the Word is God&#8217;s emissary, distinguishable from him&#8221; (DA Carson,<em> The Gospel of John</em>, 382). Thieves and robbers are not the Good Shepherd.</p>
<p>Second, Ryle writes, &#8220;They have not entered “the door” themselves, and they are unable to show it to others.&#8221; But that is not what Jesus is talking about, is it? The one who enters through the door in verse 2 is neither &#8216;converted ministers&#8217; nor &#8216;unconverted ministers&#8217; nor anyone else for that matter, but the <em>Good Shepherd</em>. Jesus said, &#8220;But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep&#8230;I am the Good Shepherd.&#8221; Jesus is talking about himself! The contrast is not between &#8216;converted&#8217; and &#8216;un-converted&#8217; ministers, but rather between the True Davidic Shepherd who was promised by God and those pretenders to the position, of whom there were, and are, many. Those who are in our day, and were in Ryle&#8217;s day, ministers, have nothing to do whatsoever with John 10:1-6. The passage is about Jesus&#8211;the True Shepherd who enters through the door and is recognized and followed by his sheep.</p>
<blockquote><p><sup id="en-NIV-21337" class="versenum">23</sup> I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd. <sup id="en-NIV-21338" class="versenum">24</sup> I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the LORD have spoken. (Ezekiel 34)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now this is not to say there are not &#8216;un-converted&#8217; preachers or bad shepherds of the sheep. It is to say that Ryle&#8217;s and Silva&#8217;s use of John 10:1 to demonstrate it is a decidedly wrong application of the Scripture. Paul warns of false teachers in the church, as does Jesus. But not in John 10. I hope that clears up Ryle&#8217;s muddled and confused and decidedly wrong exegesis of this passage of Scripture. And I hope it helps Pastor Silva too as both he and Ryle are dangerously wrong because neither one is pointing to Christ, the Lamb, or bringing forth Christ and giving him his rightful place in their blanket condemnation of &#8216;thousands&#8217;.)</p>
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		<title>The Language Police</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine gave me a book the other day&#8230;quite by chance; or not. I was given a copy of the book The Language Police. I have only had the chance to peruse it, but I have come across a couple of interesting paragraphs, one of which I&#8217;d like to share with you.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine gave me a book the other day&#8230;quite by chance; or not. I was given a copy of the book<em> The Language Police</em>. I have only had the chance to peruse it, but I have come across a couple of interesting paragraphs, one of which I&#8217;d like to share with you.</p>
<blockquote><p>The goal of the language police is not just to stop us from using objectionable words but to stop us from having objectionable thoughts. The language police believe that reality follows language usage. If they can stop people from ever seeing offensive words and ideas, they can prevent them from having the thought or committing the act that the words signify. If they never read a story about suicide or divorce, then they will never even think about killing themselves or ending their marriage. If they abolish words that have <em>man</em> as a prefix or suffix, then women will achieve equality. If children read and hear only language that has been cleansed of any mean or hurtful words, they will never have a mean or hurtful thought. With enough censorship, the language police might create a perfect world.</p>
<p>Let us, at last, fire the language police. We don&#8217;t need them. Let them return to the precincts where speech is rationed, thought is imprisoned, and humor is punished&#8221; (<em>The Language Police</em>: <em>How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn</em>, Diane Ravitch, 158-159, 170)</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree.</p>
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		<title>The Fire</title>
		<link>http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2009/07/02/the-fire/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Galatians 3:1  O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you not to obey the truth, to whom before your eyes Jesus Christ was written among you crucified?
:2  This only I would learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing of faith?
:3  Are you so foolish? Having [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Galatians 3:1  O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you not to obey the truth, to whom before your eyes Jesus Christ was written among you crucified?<br />
:2  This only I would learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing of faith?<br />
:3  Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, do you now perfect yourself in the flesh?<br />
:4  Did you suffer so many things in vain, if indeed it is even in vain?<br />
:5  Then He supplying the Spirit to you and working powerful works in you, is it by works of the law, or by hearing of faith?<br />
:6  Even as Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness.<br />
:7  Therefore know that those of faith, these are the sons of Abraham.</p></blockquote>
<p>We have discussed the issue of salvation on this site many times and I can confidently say that we are in unity on this subject that salvation comes through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ alone and that we are reborn by the Spirit. The works of righteousness that follows rebirth are a result of that what the Spirit has already done inside.</p>
<p>Now I have these questions for you:</p>
<ul>
<li> Can any works of righteousness make us more righteous?</li>
<li> Or can any sin make us less righteous?</li>
</ul>
<p>What do you say?</p>
<p><a href="http://blip.tv/file/2220280" target="_blank">This guy</a> seems to think he has the answer (does anybody else see the resemblance to Nooma here?):</p>
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		<title>Scripture for the Day (with something to offend everyone)</title>
		<link>http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2009/06/30/scripture-for-the-day-with-something-to-offend-everyone/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I went out to eat with my wife this evening and when the food was done we ended up at the Half-Price Bookstore&#8211;which is like a cigarette after s**. Oh,  
While at the Half-Price Bookstore, I picked up a brand spanking new hard cover copy of the ESV&#8211;the latest rage among the neo-Reformed. It [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went out to eat with my wife this evening and when the food was done we ended up at the Half-Price Bookstore&#8211;which is like a cigarette after s**. Oh, <img src='http://christianresearchnetwork.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>While at the Half-Price Bookstore, I picked up a brand spanking new hard cover copy of the ESV&#8211;the latest rage among the neo-Reformed. It sure is pretty.&#8211;inside and out; I love it.</p>
<p>Seems there is <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/centuri0n-vs-imonk-on-driscolls-need-to-repent">a lot</a> of <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-driscoll-debate-imonk-vs-turk-part-2">conversation</a> lately about the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://centuri0n.blogspot.com/2009/06/right-to-rebuke.html">proper use</a> of words and what words we are allowed to use when we speak or preach. Some preachers have been taking a real hit from some who think their words are too, uh, vulgar. I have already blogged about this just a bit; some of you have commented.</p>
<p>Lately, I have been reading the Prophet Ezekiel. I thought you might also enjoy this chapter of Ezekiel, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47" target="_blank">23</a>,  that I read tonight because it speaks to our time, our day, our culture, and our church. I have left the footnotes intact for your benefit.</p>
<blockquote>
<h5>Oholah and Oholibah</h5>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21009" class="versenum">1</sup>The word of the LORD came to me: <sup id="en-ESV-21010" class="versenum">2</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21010A"title="See cross-reference A" >A</a>)</sup> &#8220;Son of man, there were<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21010B"title="See cross-reference B" >B</a>)</sup> two women, the daughters of one mother. <sup id="en-ESV-21011" class="versenum">3</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21011C"title="See cross-reference C" >C</a>)</sup> They played the whore in Egypt;<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21011D"title="See cross-reference D" >D</a>)</sup> they played the whore in their youth; there their breasts were pressed and their virgin bosoms<sup class="footnote" title="&quot;See">[<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#fen-ESV-21011a"title="See footnote a" >a</a>]</sup> handled. <sup id="en-ESV-21012" class="versenum">4</sup>Oholah was the name of the elder and Oholibah the name of her sister.<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21012E"title="See cross-reference E" >E</a>)</sup> They became mine, and they<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21012F"title="See cross-reference F" >F</a>)</sup> bore sons and daughters. As for their names, Oholah is<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21012G"title="See cross-reference G" >G</a>)</sup> Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.</p>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21013" class="versenum">5</sup>&#8220;Oholah played the whore<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21013H"title="See cross-reference H" >H</a>)</sup> while she was mine, and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21013I"title="See cross-reference I" >I</a>)</sup> she lusted after her lovers<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21013J"title="See cross-reference J" >J</a>)</sup> the Assyrians, warriors <sup id="en-ESV-21014" class="versenum">6</sup>clothed in purple,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21014K"title="See cross-reference K" >K</a>)</sup> governors and commanders,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21014L"title="See cross-reference L" >L</a>)</sup> all of them desirable young men,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21014M"title="See cross-reference M" >M</a>)</sup> horsemen riding on horses. <sup id="en-ESV-21015" class="versenum">7</sup>She bestowed her whoring upon them, the choicest men of Assyria all of them, and she defiled herself with all the idols of everyone after whom she lusted. <sup id="en-ESV-21016" class="versenum">8</sup>She did not give up her whoring<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21016N"title="See cross-reference N" >N</a>)</sup> that she had begun in Egypt; for in her youth men had lain with her and handled her virgin bosom and poured out their whoring lust upon her. <sup id="en-ESV-21017" class="versenum">9</sup>Therefore<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21017O"title="See cross-reference O" >O</a>)</sup> I delivered her into the hands of her lovers, into the hands of the Assyrians, after whom she lusted. <sup id="en-ESV-21018" class="versenum">10</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21018P"title="See cross-reference P" >P</a>)</sup> These uncovered her nakedness;<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21018Q"title="See cross-reference Q" >Q</a>)</sup> they seized her sons and her daughters; and as for her, they killed her with the sword; and she became<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21018R"title="See cross-reference R" >R</a>)</sup> a byword among women,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21018S"title="See cross-reference S" >S</a>)</sup> when judgment had been executed on her.</p>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21019" class="versenum">11</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21019T"title="See cross-reference T" >T</a>)</sup> &#8220;Her sister Oholibah saw this, and she became<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21019U"title="See cross-reference U" >U</a>)</sup> more corrupt than her sister<sup class="footnote" title="&quot;See">[<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#fen-ESV-21019b"title="See footnote b" >b</a>]</sup> in her lust and in her whoring, which was worse than that of her sister. <sup id="en-ESV-21020" class="versenum">12</sup>She lusted after the Assyrians, governors and commanders, warriors clothed in full armor, horsemen riding on horses,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21020V"title="See cross-reference V" >V</a>)</sup> all of them desirable young men. <sup id="en-ESV-21021" class="versenum">13</sup>And I saw that she was defiled; they both took the same way. <sup id="en-ESV-21022" class="versenum">14</sup>But she carried her whoring further. She saw men<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21022W"title="See cross-reference W" >W</a>)</sup> portrayed on the wall, the<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21022X"title="See cross-reference X" >X</a>)</sup> images of<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21022Y"title="See cross-reference Y" >Y</a>)</sup> the Chaldeans portrayed in vermilion, <sup id="en-ESV-21023" class="versenum">15</sup>wearing belts on their waists, with flowing turbans on their heads, all of them having the appearance of officers, a likeness of Babylonians whose native land was Chaldea. <sup id="en-ESV-21024" class="versenum">16</sup>When she saw them, she lusted after them and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21024Z"title="See cross-reference Z" >Z</a>)</sup> sent messengers to them<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21024AA"title="See cross-reference AA" >AA</a>)</sup> in Chaldea. <sup id="en-ESV-21025" class="versenum">17</sup>And the Babylonians came to her<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21025AB"title="See cross-reference AB" >AB</a>)</sup> into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoring lust. And after she was defiled by them,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21025AC"title="See cross-reference AC" >AC</a>)</sup> she turned from them in disgust. <sup id="en-ESV-21026" class="versenum">18</sup>When she carried on her whoring so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned in disgust from her sister. <sup id="en-ESV-21027" class="versenum">19</sup>Yet she increased her whoring,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21027AD"title="See cross-reference AD" >AD</a>)</sup> remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt <sup id="en-ESV-21028" class="versenum">20</sup>and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. <sup id="en-ESV-21029" class="versenum">21</sup>Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed<sup class="footnote" title="&quot;See">[<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#fen-ESV-21029c"title="See footnote c" >c</a>]</sup> your young breasts.&#8221;</p>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21030" class="versenum">22</sup>Therefore, O Oholibah, thus says the Lord GOD: &#8220;Behold, I will stir up against you your lovers<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21030AE"title="See cross-reference AE" >AE</a>)</sup> from whom you turned in disgust,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21030AF"title="See cross-reference AF" >AF</a>)</sup> and I will bring them against you from every side: <sup id="en-ESV-21031" class="versenum">23</sup>the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21031AG"title="See cross-reference AG" >AG</a>)</sup> Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21031AH"title="See cross-reference AH" >AH</a>)</sup> desirable young men, governors and commanders all of them, officers and men of renown, all of them riding on horses. <sup id="en-ESV-21032" class="versenum">24</sup>And they shall come against you from the north<sup class="footnote" title="&quot;See">[<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#fen-ESV-21032d"title="See footnote d" >d</a>]</sup> with chariots and wagons and a host of peoples.<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21032AI"title="See cross-reference AI" >AI</a>)</sup> They shall set themselves against you on every side with buckler, shield, and helmet; and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21032AJ"title="See cross-reference AJ" >AJ</a>)</sup> I will commit the judgment to them, and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21032AK"title="See cross-reference AK" >AK</a>)</sup> they shall judge you according to their judgments. <sup id="en-ESV-21033" class="versenum">25</sup>And I will direct my jealousy against you,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21033AL"title="See cross-reference AL" >AL</a>)</sup> that they may deal with you in fury. They shall cut off your nose and your ears, and your survivors shall fall by the sword.<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21033AM"title="See cross-reference AM" >AM</a>)</sup> They shall seize your sons and your daughters, and your survivors shall be devoured by fire. <sup id="en-ESV-21034" class="versenum">26</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21034AN"title="See cross-reference AN" >AN</a>)</sup> They shall also strip you of your clothes and take away your beautiful jewels. <sup id="en-ESV-21035" class="versenum">27</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21035AO"title="See cross-reference AO" >AO</a>)</sup> Thus I will put an end to your lewdness and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21035AP"title="See cross-reference AP" >AP</a>)</sup> your whoring begun in the land of Egypt, so that you shall not lift up your eyes to them or remember Egypt anymore.</p>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21036" class="versenum">28</sup>&#8220;For thus says the Lord GOD:<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21036AQ"title="See cross-reference AQ" >AQ</a>)</sup> Behold, I will deliver you into the hands of those whom you hate,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21036AR"title="See cross-reference AR" >AR</a>)</sup> into the hands of those from whom you turned in disgust, <sup id="en-ESV-21037" class="versenum">29</sup>and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21037AS"title="See cross-reference AS" >AS</a>)</sup> they shall deal with you in hatred and take away all the fruit of your labor<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21037AT"title="See cross-reference AT" >AT</a>)</sup> and leave you naked and bare, and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21037AU"title="See cross-reference AU" >AU</a>)</sup> the nakedness of your whoring shall be uncovered. Your lewdness and your whoring <sup id="en-ESV-21038" class="versenum">30</sup>have brought this upon you, because<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21038AV"title="See cross-reference AV" >AV</a>)</sup> you played the whore with the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. <sup id="en-ESV-21039" class="versenum">31</sup>You have gone the way of your sister;<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21039AW"title="See cross-reference AW" >AW</a>)</sup> therefore I will give<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21039AX"title="See cross-reference AX" >AX</a>)</sup> her cup into your hand. <sup id="en-ESV-21040" class="versenum">32</sup>Thus says the Lord GOD:</p>
<p>&#8220;You shall drink your sister’s cup<br />
that is deep and large;<br />
you shall be laughed at and held in derision,<br />
for it contains much;<br />
<sup id="en-ESV-21041" class="versenum">33</sup>you will be filled with<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21041AY"title="See cross-reference AY" >AY</a>)</sup> drunkenness and sorrow.<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21041AZ"title="See cross-reference AZ" >AZ</a>)</sup> A cup of horror and desolation,<br />
the cup of your sister Samaria;<br />
<sup id="en-ESV-21042" class="versenum">34</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21042BA"title="See cross-reference BA" >BA</a>)</sup> you shall drink it and drain it out,<br />
and gnaw its shards,<br />
and tear your breasts;</p>
<p>for I have spoken, declares the Lord GOD. <sup id="en-ESV-21043" class="versenum">35</sup>Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21043BB"title="See cross-reference BB" >BB</a>)</sup> you have forgotten me and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21043BC"title="See cross-reference BC" >BC</a>)</sup> cast me behind your back, you yourself<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21043BD"title="See cross-reference BD" >BD</a>)</sup> must bear the consequences of your lewdness and whoring.&#8221;</p>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21044" class="versenum">36</sup>The LORD said to me:<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21044BE"title="See cross-reference BE" >BE</a>)</sup> &#8220;Son of man,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21044BF"title="See cross-reference BF" >BF</a>)</sup> will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Declare to them their abominations. <sup id="en-ESV-21045" class="versenum">37</sup>For<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21045BG"title="See cross-reference BG" >BG</a>)</sup> they have committed adultery,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21045BH"title="See cross-reference BH" >BH</a>)</sup> and blood is on their hands. With their idols they have committed adultery, and they have even<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21045BI"title="See cross-reference BI" >BI</a>)</sup> offered up<sup class="footnote" title="&quot;See">[<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#fen-ESV-21045e"title="See footnote e" >e</a>]</sup> to them for food the children whom they had borne to me. <sup id="en-ESV-21046" class="versenum">38</sup>Moreover, this they have done to me:<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21046BJ"title="See cross-reference BJ" >BJ</a>)</sup> they have defiled my sanctuary on the same day and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21046BK"title="See cross-reference BK" >BK</a>)</sup> profaned my Sabbaths. <sup id="en-ESV-21047" class="versenum">39</sup>For when<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21047BL"title="See cross-reference BL" >BL</a>)</sup> they had slaughtered their children in sacrifice to their idols, on the same day<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21047BM"title="See cross-reference BM" >BM</a>)</sup> they came into my sanctuary to profane it. And behold,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21047BN"title="See cross-reference BN" >BN</a>)</sup> this is what they did in my house. <sup id="en-ESV-21048" class="versenum">40</sup>They even sent for men to come from afar,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21048BO"title="See cross-reference BO" >BO</a>)</sup> to whom a messenger was sent; and behold, they came. For them you bathed yourself,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21048BP"title="See cross-reference BP" >BP</a>)</sup> painted your eyes,<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21048BQ"title="See cross-reference BQ" >BQ</a>)</sup> and adorned yourself with ornaments. <sup id="en-ESV-21049" class="versenum">41</sup>You sat on<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21049BR"title="See cross-reference BR" >BR</a>)</sup> a stately couch, with a table spread before it<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21049BS"title="See cross-reference BS" >BS</a>)</sup> on which you had placed my incense and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21049BT"title="See cross-reference BT" >BT</a>)</sup> my oil. <sup id="en-ESV-21050" class="versenum">42</sup>The<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21050BU"title="See cross-reference BU" >BU</a>)</sup> sound of a carefree multitude was with her; and with men of the common sort, drunkards<sup class="footnote" title="&quot;See">[<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#fen-ESV-21050f"title="See footnote f" >f</a>]</sup> were brought from the wilderness; and they put<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21050BV"title="See cross-reference BV" >BV</a>)</sup> bracelets on the hands of the women, and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21050BW"title="See cross-reference BW" >BW</a>)</sup> beautiful crowns on their heads.</p>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21051" class="versenum">43</sup>&#8220;Then I said of her who was worn out by adultery, Now they will continue to use her for a whore, even her!<sup class="footnote" title="&quot;See">[<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#fen-ESV-21051g"title="See footnote g" >g</a>]</sup> <sup id="en-ESV-21052" class="versenum">44</sup>For they have gone in to her, as men go in to a prostitute. Thus they went in to Oholah and to Oholibah, lewd women! <sup id="en-ESV-21053" class="versenum">45</sup>But righteous men<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21053BX"title="See cross-reference BX" >BX</a>)</sup> shall pass judgment on them with the sentence of adulteresses, and with the sentence of women who shed blood, because they are adulteresses, and blood is on their hands.&#8221;</p>
<p><sup id="en-ESV-21054" class="versenum">46</sup>For thus says the Lord GOD:<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21054BY"title="See cross-reference BY" >BY</a>)</sup> &#8220;Bring up a vast host against them, and make them<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21054BZ"title="See cross-reference BZ" >BZ</a>)</sup> an object of terror and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21054CA"title="See cross-reference CA" >CA</a>)</sup> a plunder. <sup id="en-ESV-21055" class="versenum">47</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21055CB"title="See cross-reference CB" >CB</a>)</sup> And the host shall stone them and cut them down with their swords.<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21055CC"title="See cross-reference CC" >CC</a>)</sup> They shall kill their sons and their daughters, and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21055CD"title="See cross-reference CD" >CD</a>)</sup> burn up their houses. <sup id="en-ESV-21056" class="versenum">48</sup><sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21056CE"title="See cross-reference CE" >CE</a>)</sup> Thus will I put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not commit lewdness as you have done. <sup id="en-ESV-21057" class="versenum">49</sup>And they shall return your lewdness upon you, and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21057CF"title="See cross-reference CF" >CF</a>)</sup> you shall bear the penalty for your sinful idolatry, and<sup class="xref" title="&quot;See">(<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#cen-ESV-21057CG"title="See cross-reference CG" >CG</a>)</sup> you shall know that I am the Lord GOD.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<div class="footnotes"><strong>Footnotes:</strong></p>
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<li id="fen-ESV-21011a"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#en-ESV-21011"title="Go to Ezekiel 23:3" >Ezekiel 23:3</a> Hebrew <em>nipples</em>; also verses 8, 21</li>
<li id="fen-ESV-21019b"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#en-ESV-21019"title="Go to Ezekiel 23:11" >Ezekiel 23:11</a> Hebrew <em>than she</em></li>
<li id="fen-ESV-21029c"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#en-ESV-21029"title="Go to Ezekiel 23:21" >Ezekiel 23:21</a> Vulgate, Syriac; Hebrew <em>bosom for the sake of</em></li>
<li id="fen-ESV-21032d"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#en-ESV-21032"title="Go to Ezekiel 23:24" >Ezekiel 23:24</a> Septuagint; the meaning of the Hebrew word is unknown</li>
<li id="fen-ESV-21045e"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#en-ESV-21045"title="Go to Ezekiel 23:37" >Ezekiel 23:37</a> Or <em>have even made pass through the fire</em></li>
<li id="fen-ESV-21050f"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#en-ESV-21050"title="Go to Ezekiel 23:42" >Ezekiel 23:42</a> Or <em>Sabeans</em></li>
<li id="fen-ESV-21051g"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&amp;version=47#en-ESV-21051"title="Go to Ezekiel 23:43" >Ezekiel 23:43</a> The meaning of the Hebrew verse is uncertain</li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;I know there is a lot of&#8230;uh&#8230;controversy surrounding Mark Driscoll. People don&#8217;t like his mouth&#8230;they don&#8217;t like his Calvinism&#8230;they don&#8217;t like that he hangs around with the so-called &#8216;big-wigs&#8217; of the Reform <strike>party</strike> church, they don&#8217;t like that he talks about s** from the pulpit, and much, much more. The guy can&#8217;t win. I understand. Driscoll is a complicated kind of fella. Here&#8217;s where the irony comes in in this post.</p>
<p>Our good friend and truth defender Mike Ratliff wrote this the other day at <a href="http://www.mikeratliff.com/" target="_blank">Walk By Faith</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The vast majority of evangelical Christians exist in an extremely shallow spiritual condition. The Church worship they experience is man-focused. <strong>The sermons they hear from the pulpit are specifically designed to offend no one.  There is little if any mention of sin, the need for repentance or Biblical discipleship.</strong> Their shepherds are guilty of being more concerned with numbers rather than the health of the flock. To these ministers, size matters. <strong>The larger the better, therefore, they preach vanilla, seeker-sensitive, feel good sermons that attract those who have no use for what the Bible says about sin and its consequences.</strong> They design their Sunday morning worship service to entertain the goats rather than to feed the sheep. The flock&#8217;s Bible knowledge is rudimentary at best. (My emphasis.)</p></blockquote>
<p>OK. OK. So everyone, or at least the &#8216;vast majority&#8217; of those of us who actually have the calling and nerve to stand behind pulpits and preach on Sunday mornings are white-washed here by Mr Ratliff&#8211;and, as you can see, our congregations aren&#8217;t any better. You know what they say about preachers. Those who can, preach; those who can&#8217;t sit in the pews and throw rotten tomatoes. It&#8217;s rather easy to do isn&#8217;t it Mike? What <em>did</em> the church do before we discovered the Holy Spirit given spiritual gift of blogging?</p>
<p>Then tonight, as if I am not stupid enough, I decided to go to Slice of Laodicea for a quick laugh before bed and I saw this: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/emerging-church/i%E2%80%99ve-had-it-with-mark-driscoll-and-his-mouth" target="_blank">I&#8217;ve Had it with Mark Driscoll and His Mouth</a> (posted by &#8216;admin&#8217;). When I clicked the embedded link it took me here: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://defendingcontending.com/2009/06/24/i%E2%80%99ve-had-it-with-mark-driscoll-and-his-mouth-now-it%E2%80%99s-personal/" target="_blank">I&#8217;ve had it with Mark Driscoll and his mouth. Now it&#8217;s Personal</a>. When I get there, I read this:</p>
<blockquote><p>My wife told me about a sermon <em>Pilgrim Radio</em> was playing on the radio as she was returning home from the grocery store with our young children in the car. She said that the man preaching (she had no clue who he was) was talking about “prostitutes,” “whores,” and “lesbians” and that he kept using these expressions as if trying to be shocking.</p>
<p><strong>Bingo! My wife who knows very little—if  anything—about Mark Driscoll hit the nail on the head in her evaluation of him.</strong></p>
<p><strong>She then told me that this same man began talking about wives in submission to their husbands and how oftentimes men abuse this. Instead of using an innocuous example to make his point, what did Mark “<em>The Cussing Pastor</em>” Driscoll do? Why, he did what apparently comes so natural for him: Driscoll expounded on such abuse by illustrating an example in which men misuse their wives’ submission by making them watch porn!</strong></p>
<p><strong>Are you kidding me? That’s the best example he could come up with? For crying out loud, my kids were in the car and heard this trash before their mother turned it off. </strong><strong>Does this guy’s mind <em>ever </em>come up out of the gutter for air? </strong>(Their emphasis.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now for the record, I happen to agree that Driscoll&#8217;s &#8217;sex sermons&#8217; are, well, dumb. However, you know what? No one is forcing me to listen to them. I also understand that he is speaking to a specific audience.  And, to be sure, I don&#8217;t listen to &#8216;Pilgrim Radio&#8217; so that&#8217;s not an issue either. I guess as the adult in my family, I have the right to censor what my children listen to also. We prefer listening to my own recorded sermons and I don&#8217;t let my wife go anywhere alone with my children. (*smile*)</p>
<p>What bugs me is that this person, the one hosting &#8216;DefCon&#8217;, gives us no context whatsoever for the words he cites as offensive. Interesting, isn&#8217;t it, that those words are offensive in a sermon but not in a blog post? And if it was offensive on the radio, how is less offensive to repost the same words on the internet where it is more likely that children will find them? I might need to put a net nanny on my computer to block DefCon and protect my children! Still, all jesting aside, what is the context of the sermon? Give us a link so we can hear it and see if you have judged Driscoll correctly.</p>
<p>Please, provide some documentation. As it is, this is just hearsay. Without context and documentation, none of us has any clue if you are telling the truth or just randomly attacking someone you don&#8217;t like. You mean this was the first time, you who had Pilgrim Radio linked on your blog, that you heard Driscoll at that hour? You mean you didn&#8217;t warn your wife before letting her go? I seriously don&#8217;t understand why you didn&#8217;t just warn your wife ahead of time to avoid that hour of radio broadcasting.</p>
<p>On another note, fact is there are a lot of whores in Scripture. It might be fun to do an entire sermon series on the whores of the Bible. We could talk about The Great Whore in the Revelation; Mary Magdalene; Rahab; Israel (as described by several prophets); the whore that anointed Jesus with her tears; the whore that Jesus saved from a stoning; the whore in the book of Judges who was cut up and mailed out to various parts of Israel; and so on. So many whores, so little time. (Oh, wait, that doesn&#8217;t sound right. Strike that last phrase.) Still, I guess if we are to follow the advice of DefCon, then we preachers must leave out a significant part of the Bible&#8217;s witness. ATTENTION ALL PREACHERS: Don&#8217;t use the word &#8216;whore&#8217; in sermons because there might be women and children listening whose ears will fall off if they hear such words.</p>
<p>We live in an impure world. There are whores and queers and lesbians and dykes and transsexuals and crossdressers and pedophiles and prostitutes and alcoholics and murderers and thieves&#8230;oh, and the list could go on and on and on and on forever <em>ad infinitum</em>. Are you offended by words? Seriously? Then you should hide in a room with ear muffs. These are the very ones Jesus himself spent considerable time with during his earthly life. &#8220;The whores all seem to love him, the drunks propose a toast.&#8221; Only Rich Mullins could use the word &#8216;whore&#8217; in a song and have it sound so elegant, so wonderful. (Better break all my Rich Mullins CD&#8217;s this weekend.)</p>
<p>I am angry; spittin&#8217; angry. Let me ask you what is worse. Is it worse for a preacher to preach the truth and use words like whore, prostitute, lesbian, and porn (you know, words that Mike Ratliff wants to hear since these are words that describe &#8217;sin&#8217; he believes is missing from most sermons in American churches); or, is it worse to sit behind a computer monitor and blather on criticizing a man called and ordained by Christ to preach the Gospel because he does use words like whore, prostitute, lesbian, and porn?</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll just forget about ever preaching from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Song of Solomon, Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, the Prophets, The Gospels&#8211;ah, we may as well just forget about preaching anything from the Bible because there are all sorts of offensive words in the Bible, words like whore, death, murder, s**, prostitute, and so on and so forth. God once told Ezekiel to cook food over human excrement. What word does God use when he talks about human excrement? (Better throw away my Bible tonight so that I am not offended by God&#8217;s use, his own God-breathed use, of the Hebrew word for &#8216;human excrement.&#8217; (See Ezekiel 4:12.))</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my question, to either Mr Ratliff or DefCon, or anyone else who wants to answer: Are we preachers to be offensive or not? Driscoll clearly offended someone, and yet it was too much. What about the offense of the cross? Can we preach that? Oh, probably not since there were actually, shhhh!, naked people there being crucified. <strong>Can you people please make up your minds about what we preachers can and cannot say from the pulpit so that we don&#8217;t hurt your precious ears?</strong> Could you, like, write up a list of words your itching ears want and don&#8217;t want to hear? And Mike, if you are listening, I guess you should <em>start</em> listening to Driscoll. Since you want sermons that <em>are</em> <em>designed</em> to offend someone I&#8217;m guessing Mark&#8217;s your man!</p>
<p>The ADM&#8217;s of the world are fond of throwing out some Scripture on their blogs so as to prove their point. Well, I am a preacher so let me throw out some Scripture too:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: <sup id="en-NIV-29857" class="versenum">2</sup>Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. <sup id="en-NIV-29858" class="versenum">3</sup>For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.</p></blockquote>
<p>Preach the Word, he wrote. He didn&#8217;t say leave any parts of it out of our sermons&#8211;All Scripture is God-breathed; even the parts we find offensive. Like when David&#8217;s son had s** with David&#8217;s wives in public!  He said &#8216;preach the whole counsel of God.&#8217; I agree with this <a href="http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue57.htm" target="_blank">conclusion</a> written to a very long essay on this very topic:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, when we teach the whole counsel of God, we, like Paul, shall emphasize the things unique to Christianity and in the process give godly instruction about living by faith in this sinful world. The &#8220;all truth is God’s truth&#8221; credo is not helpful in this and often serves as a stumbling block. The question &#8220;is it true&#8221; is a good one, but inadequate in itself. More important is: did Christ command us to teach this?</p>
<p>Paul told the Ephesian elders: &#8220;I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable.&#8221; He wrote this to Timothy: &#8220;All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness&#8221; (2Timothy 3:16). Timothy was also ministering in Ephesus. It is clear that &#8220;all Scripture&#8221; is profitable and the Christian teacher and preacher should not avoid any of it. Though we may not be able to expound every single verse of the Bible in a lifetime (though surely a worthy goal), we should never avoid a verse or a topic for fear the audience might not like it. The whole counsel of God is relevant, applicable, and needful to every generation in every culture throughout the church age. There will be no situation in which it will be any less &#8220;profitable&#8221; than it was for those under Paul’s and Timothy’s ministries. May God give us grace, courage, tact, and insight as we set forth to proclaim the whole counsel of God. (Bob DeWay, at Critical Issues Commentary on line. From the essay, &#8220;The Whole Counsel of God: We must teach what Christ commanded to be taught; not what people consider &#8220;relevant)</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. Yes. Yes. Preach on! This is true! That means that occasionally us preachers are going to have to use words like whore, prostitute, lesbian, and porn in sermons because, evidently, even these words were inspired by the Holy Spirit, or, if you prefer, God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16). I guess you pew-sitters are gonna have to decide if it is better for those of us who are ordained and called to preach to obey our God&#8217;s call or back down in the face of your complaints. You seriously need to read Scripture some time&#8211;to your wives and children and yourselves. You need to be offended, and if you are not, I seriously doubt it is the Word of God you are reading.</p>
<p>PS-The author at DefCon was complaining because in Driscoll&#8217;s sermon, he was talking about porn. Re-read this:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>She then told me that this same man began talking about wives in submission to their husbands and how oftentimes men abuse this. Instead of using an innocuous example to make his point, what did Mark “<em>The Cussing Pastor</em>” Driscoll do? Why, he did what apparently comes so natural for him: Driscoll expounded on such abuse by illustrating an example in which men misuse their wives’ submission by making them watch porn!</strong></p>
<p><strong>Are you kidding me? That’s the best example he could come up with? For crying out loud, my kids were in the car and heard this trash before their mother turned it off. </strong><strong>Does this guy’s mind <em>ever </em>come up out of the gutter for air? </strong>(Their emphasis.)<strong></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Again, we have absolutely no context whatsoever for this assessment. Still, I wonder how this is different from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ingridschlueter.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/winning-a-ladys-heart/" target="_blank">this</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>When we began dating, I noticed that he would never ever comment about a passing woman or look at an attractive female. In the mall, he deliberately turns his head away from stores that feature immodest and in some cases, pornographic displays. Nothing said, just quick evasive action. That sends a message to a wife that she alone is valued and cherished. (See also the last comment left by &#8216;Steve.&#8217; I don&#8217;t see much difference except that Driscoll is in a pulpit and &#8216;Steve&#8217; posted on a blog.)</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t very often post sermons here, simply because I really don&#8217;t listen to a lot of recorded sermons very often.  The other day, however, I came across s short sermon on Youtube by Greg Boyd entitled &#8220;The Pathology of the Religious&#8221;.  Boyd draws a lot from his book Repenting of Religion in this sermon [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t very often post sermons here, simply because I really don&#8217;t listen to a lot of recorded sermons very often.  The other day, however, I came across s short sermon on Youtube by Greg Boyd entitled &#8220;The Pathology of the Religious&#8221;.  Boyd draws a lot from his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0801065062/fishtheabys-20/ref=nosim" target="_blank"><em>Repenting of Religion</em></a> in this sermon (he also has a new book that touches on similar themes called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0310283833/fishtheabys-20/ref=nosim" target="_blank"><em>The Myth of a Christian Religion</em></a>), but the nice thing is that total sermon is less than 20 minutes long (I&#8217;m all for brevity when it comes to public speaking!).  I find Boyd&#8217;s comparison of a religious person to a clinically sociapathic person to be spot-on.  Please note that when Boyd uses the word &#8220;sociopath&#8221;, he is actually using it in the clinical sense and not as an <em>ad hominem</em> attack of any sort.  He is simply making the point that just as sociopathic people try to manipulate others by focusing solely on external behavior, a religious person attempts to in essence manipulate God.</p>
<p>I hope they are a blessing to you.</p>
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		<title>Little League and Love</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[[Disclaimer or something like it. I realize that such blog posts as the one you are about to read are fraught with danger. Being transparent and honest about our struggles in a public forum exposes one to many dangers. I'm willing to take that risk in this post because I'm convinced that most of you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Disclaimer or something like it. I realize that such blog posts as the one you are about to read are fraught with danger. Being transparent and honest about our struggles in a public forum exposes one to many dangers. I'm willing to take that risk in this post because I'm convinced that most of you who visit here love me enough to bear with my periodic confessions of weakness without judging me too harshly. Grace and Peace.]</p>
<p><strong>Little League and the Christian Pilgrimage</strong></p>
<p>I am coaching little league this year. We have played 15 games, had two games rained out, and have three remaining on the calendar. My team was an expansion team. Last season, we had enough boys sign up to fill out two rosters of about 12 boys per team. This year, we had so many sign up to play that we filled out three rosters of 12 each. My team consists mostly of first year players, well, first year at this level which is Junior Boys Division One or 13-14 year-olds.</p>
<p>One of the teams in our community had, I believe, 9 returning players and the other team had 7. I have 12 boys, all first year 13 year olds. I love those boys. Managing a little league team is mostly about managing personalities (of the parents too!) and managing the numbers such as pitch count and innings played. At the Junior&#8217;s level, play becomes far more competitive. The standings mean something, the score counts, and individual play counts for tournament consideration.</p>
<p>I went into the season, despite what I knew, with a cautious optimism. I hate losing and I thought perhaps if I rubbed enough of that enthusiasm off on my team that they would play harder and faster. I thought, seriously, we could compete-even with the big boys. Through the first 8 games or so I was actually right. We were 5-3. The first game we played was on the road and we crushed them: 17-4. We were, all of us, in a great mood. Love abounded in the dugout that night.</p>
<p>After our eighth game, however, baseball became a chore. We have lost 7 straight games. We have been run-ruled 5 times and we have lost two games in the bottom of the seventh inning after tying or leading in the top of the seventh inning. Currently, in case you cannot add, we are 5-10. I love my team.</p>
<p>During the stretch of 7 consecutive losses things have been rather tough. We lost one player for the last 5 games to a vacation. We lost another young man when he ended up in the hospital because his hemoglobin dropped way below safe levels and needed transfusions and a bone marrow biopsy. Our latest blow was when our starting first baseman broke his finger. We only carry a roster of 12 boys; 3 are out. Things are tough all over for our team. I&#8217;m sure these three would rather be playing ball. I love these boys.</p>
<p>A big part of managing a little league baseball team is in managing personalities and egos. Some kids are ‘better&#8217; than others; some are not. Some kids think they ‘deserve&#8217; to play more than others; others are happy to be on a team. Some kids&#8217; parents think their children&#8217;s, well, let&#8217;s just say their kids never make an error or throw the ball in the dirt or strike out with the bases loaded; most do not. Some kids are natural born pessimists (and have inherited it honestly); many have no idea what it means to quit until the umpire says ‘you&#8217;re out!&#8217; or the sun goes down or the last inning is played or the last ball is lost over the fence. I love those kids.</p>
<p>I love those kids who have no quit in them, who play hard regardless of how poorly ‘we&#8217; play. I love those kids who keep on laughing even when we are crushed by a lopsided score. I love those kids who keep on going up to bat after striking out 20 straight times. I love those kids who still think we can win even when the opposing coach has his players stealing home despite the fact that he is already winning by 8 runs. I love those boys who hustle off the field because ‘it&#8217;s our turn to bat!&#8217; I love those boys who turn their hats inside out and believe, even though batters 7, 8, and 9 are coming up and we need 9 runs in order not to be run-ruled, that we have a shot at the win. I love those who get really angry with me when they have to sit because I need to get other players fielding time (per little league rules). I love those boys, pitchers, who want the ball when we are playing the toughest team in the league. I love those boys who hate losing even though that is all that seems to happen. I love those boys who hustle out a foul ball and don&#8217;t stop running until blue says, &#8220;Foul!&#8221; I love those boys who, after a crushing defeat, still have the nerve to run up to their teammates after the game and tackle them in the grass. I love those boys.</p>
<p>I love those boys who know what it means to win and never take it for granted because those are the boys who never quit. They never stop running, catching, throwing, and hitting. Nor do they stop smiling, laughing, and loving. They pick up their teammates when they&#8217;re down. They show up at the next game with a clean uniform, a glove, a smile, and a ‘where do you need me to play tonight, coach?&#8217; I love those boys.</p>
<p>These are the ones who continue to believe we can win even when all external indicators point in exactly the opposition direction.</p>
<p>It is terribly difficult to want to show up for three more games when all outward appearances seem to be dictating that we will end our season, at best, 6-12 or 6-14 if we make up two rain-outs. It&#8217;s difficult to show up for three more games when you know you are going to be stuck in the outfield for 21-35 more innings. Baseball will break your heart, said A. Bart Giamatti. And even though I&#8217;m no fan of the late Giamatti (he banned Pete Rose from baseball), I agree with him 100%. It&#8217;s hard to find passion in something that continues to beat you down, game after game, inning after inning, pitch after pitch. How I love those boys who find a way to keep going back on that field that continues to break their hearts; those boys who continue working on their game and making every play even when the team is losing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s terribly difficult to want to coach when there are some around who don&#8217;t think it even worth the effort. It&#8217;s terribly difficult to love those who are natural born pessimists, but as a manager I am called to do so anyhow. It&#8217;s easy to coach the lovable, the excitable, the manageable, the hard-worker, the player; the winners. It&#8217;s terribly difficult to coach the perpetually negative; the losers. Anyone would want to coach Derek Jeter; not too many would want to coach Barry Bonds.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s like that in our pilgrimage too. It&#8217;s easy to love the lovable. Not so easy to love the unlovable.</p>
<p>I can love those folks who crank out an enthusiastic ‘Great sermon Pastor!&#8217; all day long. It is much harder to love those who show up but never uncross their arms or wipe the scowl off their face or sing a song or even say hello or are more interested in where to go for lunch than they are about the call to put feet to faith.</p>
<p>I have to be honest: I&#8217;m not there yet. I am a complete failure in that regard. I know I should. I know the Spirit enables me. I know they need to be loved. But Oh, God it is so difficult. It is so hard to love those who know better and act worse. It&#8217;s terribly difficult to love those who show up at board meetings but won&#8217;t show up for worship. It&#8217;s hard to love those who do not love you. Seriously. It is beyond imagination hard.</p>
<p>Love is such a strange thing. If I love those contrary people&#8230;am I not giving up my rights? Am I not allowing my ego to be destroyed? What about my pride? I happen to know for a fact that I am right. Oh God this twisting inside me is killing me. I want so badly for God to do what is right and yet the only thing that seems to be making progress is the weakness that is pushing me closer and closer to the edge of a breakdown.</p>
<p>I keep telling God, &#8220;God, why won&#8217;t you do what is right?&#8221; And all I keep hearing him say in response is, &#8220;Why are you not loving my people? Those people, yes, those people.&#8221; &#8220;I am unworthy-how can I reply to you? I put my hand over my mouth&#8221; (Job 40:4). Or, maybe it&#8217;s, &#8220;I am unwilling-why should I? I clench my teeth and harden my heart.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus could have said anything else to us; frankly I wish he had. He could have given us any other command or any other idea or any other teaching or any other way of demonstration. But he didn&#8217;t. He didn&#8217;t. He didn&#8217;t. The one he gave is the one that is killing me, killing us, killing the church because it is the one that is daily refused, especially here in the blog world, to be practiced.</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t tell us to discriminate or separate the church into groups of sheep and goats and only love the lovely.</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Die to your life; kill your pride. Love those he loved. Love those he died for. Feed his sheep. Lord, do you know what you are asking?</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lord, isn&#8217;t there some other way for me to show you that I love you? Can&#8217;t I memorize a book of the Bible instead? Isn&#8217;t a clanging cymbal a nice thing at times?</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lord, I can&#8217;t. They have hurt me. It&#8217;s a matter of principle. What about truth? What about right? Lord why do you seem to care more about their feelings than mine?</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lord, you are killing me. I&#8217;m dying here. I can&#8217;t breathe. I have no strength to do what you are asking.</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lord, they don&#8217;t. They make no effort. They don&#8217;t even care if I love them. They are sinning.</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lord, have mercy. Isn&#8217;t there some other way? How about if I serve poor people? Or give my body to save a dying person? How about if I preach a sermon in Greek? How about if I explain in great detail your Scriptures and defend truth?</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Love one another.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">______________________</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">See you at the field, thursday evening. I&#8217;ll be there. Managing. Coaching. Loving&#8230;all my boys.</p>
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		<title>outrageous!!</title>
		<link>http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2009/06/23/outrageous/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[(or today&#8217;s &#8220;fish in a barrel&#8221; moment )
It wasn&#8217;t the main point of the post, but this still jumped out at me.  While dumping on Ekklesia Detroit Church regarding another issue, Ken the &#8220;editor&#8221; at C?N irrelevantly noted: &#8220;It seems they’ve also found time to interview Satan as well.&#8221;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://christianresearchnetwork.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mclean3.jpg" alt="" align="right" />(or <em>today&#8217;s &#8220;fish in a barrel&#8221; moment</em> )</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t the main point of the post, but this still jumped out at me.  While <a href="http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=11542"title="good grief, over 10000 posts?!?!"  target="_blank">dumping on</a> Ekklesia Detroit Church regarding another issue, <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Ken</span> the &#8220;editor&#8221; at C?N irrelevantly noted: &#8220;It seems they’ve also found time to <a href="http://www.ekklesiadetroit.com/blog/?p=199"title="One Prayer"  target="_blank">interview Satan</a> as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Granted, that sentence has no explicit statement that <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Ken</span> the editor thinks that the Satan interview video is a bad thing.  But given the track record at C?N (that nothing good can come out of <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Nazareth</span> those that they criticize), and given the overall tone of the rest of the post, it&#8217;s very much within the realm of probability that <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Ken</span> the editor thinks it&#8217;s a bad thing.</p>
<p>And frankly, I have to agree.  A video portraying Satan and his views on Christianity and the Church has no place in our faith.  Why, if we&#8217;re not careful, someone will write an <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060652934/fishtheabys-20/ref=nosim" target="_blank">entire book</a> with this premise.  And then respected &#8220;Christian&#8221; actors will <a href="http://www.fpatheatre.com/screwtape"title="Max McLean as Screwtape"  target="_blank">create plays</a> based on the book.  And then &#8220;Christians&#8221; will claim to &#8220;learn&#8221; from these demonic resources.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the beginning of the end, people.</p>
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		<title>Martin Luther Speaks!</title>
		<link>http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2009/06/22/martin-luther-speaks/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a quick update to let you know that apparently Pastor/Teacher/Theologian Silva is not without a sense of humor. He posted this at SOL: Martin Luther Says No&#8230;To Women Pastors. (You can do your own work tracing it back to Apprising ?.)
I&#8217;m glad Pastor/Teacher/Theologian/Father/Rev/Prophet is not without a sense of irony. I wonder how he [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick update to let you know that apparently Pastor/Teacher/Theologian Silva is not without a sense of humor. He posted this at SOL: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/emerging-church/martin-luther-says-no-to-women-pastors" target="_blank">Martin Luther Says No&#8230;To Women Pastors</a>. (You can do your own work tracing it back to Apprising ?.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad Pastor/Teacher/Theologian/Father/Rev/Prophet is not without a sense of irony. I wonder how he will explain to his board of directors his affiliation with a certain blogger who is anything but in compliance with Martin Luther after making that post.</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
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		<title>From Legalism to Liberty</title>
		<link>http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2009/06/22/from-legalism-to-liberty/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Last weekend at my local congregation here in Indiana, our sermon topic was on &#8220;From Legalism to Liberty&#8221; - part of an expositional series going through 1 Corinthians.  Pastor Steve Reeves had a number of excellent observations (other than the ones that pertained to me, of course!).  Actually, I would say his comments pertain to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last weekend at my local congregation here in Indiana, our sermon topic was on &#8220;<a href="http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?i=55782097&amp;id=251197799" target="_blank">From Legalism to Liberty</a>&#8221; - part of an expositional series going through 1 Corinthians.  Pastor Steve Reeves had a number of excellent observations (other than the ones that pertained to me, of course!).  Actually, I would say his comments pertain to a large number of topics we discuss here - and to all parties involved.</p>
<p>For me, one way you can tell if you heard a good sermon - if you&#8217;re still pondering application to your own life a week/month/year later, it was a good sermon.  And for me, this was one&#8230;</p>
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