Sanballat, Tobiah, Geshem, and Ken
Oh the burden it must be to carry the duty of accuser. Ken in his on going campaign to establish himself as the purveyor of all things right continues to make the assumption that Ray Comfort needs his assistance. In his latest missive, No, Ray Comfort the issue is not closed, Ken let’s us know what a mistake it was for Way of the Master to not listen to him.
At first glance this would appear to be on target concerning the “issue” Comfort has now decided to close. The problem is that Comfort doesn’t get to close the issue because he isn’t the one who opened it. Unfortunately I did. Sadly, in my efforts to be a help privately CHRIS’ NOTE (accept for posting the whole dialog online) behind the scenes Ray Comfort’s personal assistant Mark Spence would later publicly attempt to impugn my motives and in the process let me know that WOTM wrongly assumed I was some “heresy hunter” looking for dirt with which to shoot down Ray Comfort. And that now turns out to be critical mistake on their part. (emphasis mine)
It all kinda reminds me of this story:
When Sanballat heard that we were rebuilding the wall, he became angry and was greatly incensed. He ridiculed the Jews, and in the presence of his associates and the army of Samaria, he said, “What are those feeble Jews doing? Will they restore their wall? Will they offer sacrifices? Will they finish in a day? Can they bring the stones back to life from those heaps of rubble—burned as they are?”
Tobiah the Ammonite, who was at his side, said, “What they are building—if even a fox climbed up on it, he would break down their wall of stones!”
Hear us, O our God, for we are despised. Turn their insults back on their own heads. Give them over as plunder in a land of captivity. Do not cover up their guilt or blot out their sins from your sight, for they have thrown insults in the face of the builders.
So we rebuilt the wall till all of it reached half its height, for the people worked with all their heart.
But when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the men of Ashdod heard that the repairs to Jerusalem’s walls had gone ahead and that the gaps were being closed, they were very angry. They all plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up trouble against it. (emphasis mine)
Recently I told someone “I’m always suspect of anyone who starts a sentence with ‘The Lord told me that YOU need..’ ” Not that I don’t believe the Lord gives people insight into situations its that those phrases usually end after a tongue lashing and some variant of “As a sister/brother in the Lord” or “I really care about you”. Or as Ken puts it in his admonishment to Ray Comfort.
And as you read this once again consider that Comfort is using the same type of rhetoric he often uses in his WOTM presentation upon his sister in Christ who wrote him with a legitimate concern because she cares about him: (emphasis mine)
July 24th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Ken said:
As far as I know Rick Frueh opened this issue and not Ken. Ken was just a messenger but now claims to be the instigator.
From Submissions:
Rick, please close it. I had enough of that circus.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:12 am
As usual you eisegete comments, blog postings, scriptures, whatever; anything to get your point across.
Nothing wrong with Ken’s article.
Nothing wrong with calling out the middle of the roaders, i.e those who love to muddy the waters.
Nothing wrong with saying you won’t stand on a platform with clowns, and heretics.
Eugene said:
“As far as I know Rick Frueh opened this issue and not Ken. Ken was just a messenger but now claims to be the instigator.”
From Ken’s article:
“So you see this was not at all someone who lacked the ability to look into this matter, which as you’ll see in “Thank You Tom and Ingrid Schlueter” was first brought to the Internet by Rick Frueh, and not by me.”
You never read the actual post at all.
Ken said exactly what you are saying here. God help the liars.
Welcome to the “circus maximus” of which this blog is a main attraction.
I suppose you will censor this comment also.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:14 am
BTW, Sanballat and his boys, i.e. the original crn.info stood in the way of all who proclaim biblical truth, the real repairers of the breech.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Chris, the Lord told me to tell you not to listen to anyone who tells you He told them to tell you something. Thus sayth He to me.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Ken may be a little overdramatic, but he is correct about Ray Comfort doing more than he has to date and it nothing to do with Ken or any of us.
I am troubled that Mr. Comfort has not really seen the error of his ways and earnestly repented, he seems just resigned to being outed and reluctantly acquiescing to “friendly fire”. And his pot shot at Ingrid was revealing as well, the old “you do it too” which in this case was openly incongruous. And perhaps most disturbing is he like many others only view the prosperity teaching as slightly unbalanced and not the deep heresy that it actually is. I have been prompted to post about this more often since it seems I was naive about the ambivalence and ignorance of people who are not a part of the deception.
Even people who would never go to a Word of Faith conference do not seem to realize that they preach another Jesus. The question remains, if a sinner comes forward to accept Jesus because he is in debt can he really be saved? There are many other provocative forms of that same question that we should not dismiss so easily. If we can correctly assume that many who make a profession of faith in orthodox churches may be insincere, should we not be very concerned about the regeneration of sinners in a climate of heresy? Just as a heroin addict will choose heroin instead of rehab, so will sinners usually choose escape rather than redemption and repentance if given a choice. And in these movements they are not truly offered repentance and redemption, they are openly offered a sanctified form of sensuality that cannot save at all and is almost exclusive to this generation.
Therefore indifference is spiritual abdication. And fellowship is even more serious, and Mr. Comfort does not realize he has become a partaker of their evil deeds and he is being called to public repentance in order to warn those who have assumed he was in concert with these heretics. And perhaps he has an incredible platform to do so since it would both give perspective to those who attended and also draw a contrast to those who are ignorant of its evils. However once you fellowship with these men and find they are friendly and hospitable, it is extremely difficult to speak against them and their heresy. Hence the warning about keeping company with them.
I had thought that the coming financial crisis would uncover the absurdity of such teachings, but I now entertain the thought that this movement will thrive even further during the economic struggles to come since many will be desperate and will believe any false offer of hope. Even some Baptist churches preach a shallow form of this heresy, and its overt and subtle influence eclipses even the emergent movement. Many Baptist churches do not have a single emergent leaning member and some haven’t even heard of that movement, but almost all evangelical churches in America have members who range from sympathetic to full embracement of the prosperity teachings.
Men like Mr. Comfort need to be held to account for the gospel’s sake. And look how people who hold his person in admiration have taken an offense to any correction of his actions. Even Peter was rebuked, and all of us need to be shown a clearer way of righteousness from time to time. His public platform provides a blessed opportunity to use a mistake to the glory of God!
July 24th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Eugene,
In all fairness, you might have missed another portion man.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
I claim ek cathedra in all things Biblical! I did first see the conference on a TV comercial and in general I overwhelmingly agree with Ken and Mrs. Schlueter’s view on the subject.
I just saw another comercial for a Rev Ike conference that SJ will be speaking at!
July 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Chris P. if you read that whole article and could not see where Ken contradicts himself multiple times, creates non-sequiter arguments, and generally positions himself as the only person on the planet with biblical credentials theres really nothing I could explain to you.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Rick,
Rev, Ike?
????
Sorry, apparently I am not informed.
To all,
To be frank, Ken’s article was good. And the comparison to Tobiah and co. is not accurate or fair in actuality. Because what you are saying by that is that the work of the Word Faith teachers and their conferences, in which for whatever reason Mr. Comfort has associated in an “unequally yoked” capacity, is indeed a work akin to rebuilding Jerusalem. Thus, Avanzini and co. are analogized as the brave souls building and defending the city, and anyone, specifically Ken, who opposes them and confronts those who participate with them is the enemy of God.
Say what you want about Ken, and Ingrid and so on. But don’t be so ridiculous as to say that Avanzini is akin to Nehemiah.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Eish! (South African expression. )
I got caught out… AGAIN! (see comments #222 & #223 on Submissions) and will have to repent again (see comment #103 on Revival or Not? Confusion in the Camp! Piper and Washer Disagree?).
Chris P, I will have to look over my shoulder everytime I make a mistake, you seem to be following me.
Seriously now. I am sorry that I did not read the whole post and hastily made a comment. Sorry Ken for making you a liar. Please forgive me.
I hope I have learned my lesson.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
OK SJ you are too young to remember Rev. Ike. So just place “Al Sharpton” in the place of Rev. Ike!
July 24th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Actually the analogy is less about the health and wealth crowd and more about Ken sitting on his perch and screaming at everyone who is doing a good work for the kingdom.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Rick,
Right. I looked him up after I commented.
Eugene,
thanks.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Chris, I understand, but the point still stands. It’s been argued that way regarding Ken’s stand regarding men like Bell and so on. But this post is specifically dealing with the Word Faith liars and Ray Comforts baffling association with them. So I still completely disagree with the correlation.
You say:
Who would these be in this case? He is speaking against the Word Faith liars and dissenting to Mr. Comfort’s association with them. You could hypothetically argue that you don’t like his manner or voice, but to say he is “sitting on his perch and screaming at everyone who is doing a good work for the kingdom” is utterly more flattering of those foxes they is appropriate.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
CORRECTION: …”more flattering of those foxes than is appropriate.”
July 24th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
In this issue, side from certain literary styles that define all of us, Ken is exactly right. Ray Comfort should clear this up with a statement of rejection of the teachings of these men.
Paul tells Timothy to do the work of an evangelist, however in that smae 4th chapter in II Timothy he tells him to reprove and rebuke those without sound doctrine. So an evangelist cannot just preach the gospel with a dead ear toward grevious error.
I find it difficult to believe that Comfort did not know generally what these guys taught.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Eugene,
“Sorry Ken for making you a liar. Please forgive me.”
Not a problem.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
S.J.
While you may have read that Ken was “speaking against the Word Faith liars and dissenting to Mr. Comfort’s association with them” I read “Ray you need to listen to me otherwise I may blog about you forever. First let me get in a dig about Rob Bell. Okay where was I…oh yeah I’m right, I’m right, I’m right. Link, Link, Link. Mark Spence messed with the wrong guy. You’re wrong, wrong, wrong. I talked to Todd Friel. Look at this email. Check out these links from my site where I’m talking about Ray Comfort. The Lord gave me this site.”
July 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Rick,
Yes. That is what I find, as I said, baffling.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Why?
July 24th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
BTW
I am not baffled by Ken being right on with this post, but by Comfort’s actions. My last comment was pretty vague. I are home teached.
Chris,
Okay, I understand. Try removing the “Ken can’t ever be right” glasses.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Because many will be led astray by assuming he agrees with their heresies. He has a great opportunity to expose these teachings as heretical, until then it appears as if he will avoid their conferences because of “friendly fire” and not due to a greater understanding of their teachings.
Have you all read Mrs. Schlueter’s post and listened to her links? If not, then you are uninformed. If so, should not their heretical nonsense be exposed?
July 24th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Why?
Uuuum. Do we really need to answer that one?
I’m not following you’re thinking here Chris. I don’t want to be a jerk, so would you be offended if I asked why you don’t appear to have a problem–even a small one–with this “Ray Comfort Issue”?
July 24th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
http://thedowngrade2007.blogspot.com/2008/07/newsflash-paulshares-stage-with-false.html
Newsflash! Paul shares the stage with heretics and teachers of false religions and does not criticize them, only shares the Gospel! Heretic! Compromiser!
July 24th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Chris,
Seriously dude, you might want to seek some help about your growing obsession with whoever that “Ken” guy is.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Apples and oranges.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Paul dismantled their false gods openly while also preaching Christ. Comfort not only did not address their false teachings, he blended in and was accepted by these heretics as if they preached the same thing.
These men claim to be Christian teachers, the Athenians did not.
Apples and oranges.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
pastorboy,
I’m afraid I have to disagree with you as well. I see a big differences with the two items.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
No offense S.J.
Do I have a problem with WoF? Absolutely!
Do I think Ray owes an answer to Ken, Ingrid, Rick, Me? Absolutely not.
I trust that Ray is accountable to many people, none of whom are Ken. I also believe that Ray prayerfully considers his speaking engagements. If Ray chose to speak at this event I believe that God lead him in his words. I’m not pompous enough to assume for one second that Ray didn’t honor God with his words. Only God and Ray know that. If Ray was dishonoring to God by his appearance and his words then Ray and God will sort it out I’m sure.
If none of the above is true than I can extend the benefit of the doubt to Ray whether he “issues a statement” or not.
Finally I have more of an issue with anyone who lurks the internet searching for evidence to accuse the brethren than I will ever have for Ray not decrying WoF publicly.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
PB,
Are you saying Ken and Ingrid owe Ray a huge apology?
iggy
July 24th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Ray owes me nothing.
July 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Iggy,
I disagree with Ken and Ingrid, but I will extend to them the same grace I would hope would be extended to Ray. I know Ray preached the Gospel there. I know he didn’t tacitly or otherwise approve of the WOF garbage that was preached afterward. I believe that Ken, Ingrid, Rick et.al are convinced that they are right for calling Ray out from their perspective. I say that we must assume that, based on his past ministry, that not only was the Gospel preached, but that he will honor his statement that he would investigate more thoroughly his speaking commitments and the advertising.
However, as far as Paul and the Athenians, he did not decry their Gods or philosophers, he stated the need to repent and that the God they declared as unknown, he made known to them. Ray did the same thing; the WOF preachers preach a god of their own creation, and Ray was proclaiming the one true God unknown to these WOF followers. I am going to trust that the Holy Spirit can break through before these people lose any more money to these scam artists.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Pastorboy,
Then again, whose truth should I follow… yours or Ken’s or Ingrid’s….?
It seems none of you agree on a lot of things… yet expect me to listen to you and all you “truths”…
Also, it seems that some decried the usage of this passage as you have done. They seemed to think it as emergent heresy… yet you now agree with this heresy?
I cannot peg this jello to the wall you call theology… it just slips through the cracks….
Not trying to be mean here… but you seem so all over the board and inconsistent on so many things.
iggy
July 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Wow, PB, this sounds like what Rob Bell and Doug Pagitt did at the Seeds of Compassion thing. Methinks you may have a wee bit of a double standard there.
Oh, that’s right, Comfort is on your “team”…
July 24th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Iggy,
You should follow the truth of God found in the Bible.
Phil,
What Pagitt and Bell did at seeds of compassion was compromise the Gospel. Ray preached it. He just didn’t go and call the WOF preachers heretics. Rob Bell and Pagitt came nowhere close to proclaiming the Gospel, nor did they call any of the religions false. I would have been most happy if they would have preached the Gospel in the same way Ray did at the WOF conference.
July 25th, 2008 at 3:09 am
Pastorboy, were you there? Did you hear all the conversations in the backrooms? I heard them speak of Jesus and their faith… stop slandering these guys will you? I do follow the truth of the bible , but you seem to think that is not enough… I keep wondering what more I must add as you insist that is not enough by you actions and words… So if that is all there is, then repent for the harm and damage to others… for trying to imply I had a gambling problem on my blog and the numerous other things you have done..
Repent PB… repent.
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Iggy,
Thats ridiculous. A gambling problem? When did I ever say that?
I know Pagitt and Bell did not speak the Gospel on stage, I saw the video. They did not mention the uniqueness and the one way to heaven in Christ Jesus on stage. Nor did the go after each of the pagan religions onstage, which I never called upon or expected them to do. I did expect them, however, to represent the true Gospel, the Full Gospel, which Ray did on stage, and, if I know Ray (and I do) backstage as well.
There is a major difference, I think Ken and Rick Freuh and Daniel Chew would agree with the ‘gospel’ presented by Pagitt and Bell at the Seeds of Compassion and the one presented by Ray at the WOF event.
Repent, Iggy.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:10 am
PB,
There is more than one way to present the Gospel. I think your understanding of it is just too small.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Phil,
Agreed, but it is not saying things like ‘living in the way of Jesus’ without an explanation of what that means.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Phil - there is more than one way to present the gospel, but all of them must contain certain and openly understandable components. What was said publicly at the Seeds conference was indiscernible and veiled at best and not the plain and open gospel of Jesus Christ. What was said behind closed doors no one knows.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:35 am
PB,
Well I certainly have a lot of conversations throughout the day in which I don’t fully explain everything I believe. The fact is I have heard Bell speak plenty of other times, and I believe I have a good handle on what he believes. The same goes for Pagitt.
In the videos I saw from that specific event, Bell was asked specific, pointed questions. No one asked him to describe all he believed, and I don’t think it wsa the proper time for him to such a thing.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Phil,
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Which is exactly the point. Ray Comfort took the opportunity given to him to preach the whole Gospel, yet not criticize the people he shared the podium with
Rob Bell and Doug Pagitt do not take the opportunity to preach the whole Gospel or even a partial Gospel, nor do they go after the myriad of false teachers on the podium, and yet they are granted sainthood here.
I guess it is like the wise man phil always says
It just comes down to the fact that ________ is on your ‘team’.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am
For the record:
I see no problem with accepting a speaking engagement at an inter-faith conference. It should be an opportunity to preach the everlasting gospel to the lost.
I see a problem with accepting an invitation to share a platform with Christian heretics since it lends credibility to error.
One is the fields - one is compromise.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am
I would only argue, Rick, that both are the fields. Most of the people at the WOF are no more Christians than the Dalai Llama. They all serve a false picture of God.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Pastorboy,
Speaking of Phil’s assessment of you being an ODM yes man, where is that post I’m sure you’ve worked up on Ingrid using lawyers and threats of lawsuits?
July 25th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I cannot with any certainty know the regenerate status of someone who claims to know Christ. Most ofthe interfaith people do not claim to be Christians. Comfort was considered one speaker among many who were in fellowship with each other, therefore his words were heard through a false prism.
If Bell and Pagitt had articulated the gospel more clearly and in loving truth, it would have been a great success. I am sure Comfort presented the gospel clearly, but when the listeners have already assumed his words are approved by the prosperity heretics, then the sword is dulled.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Bo Diaz,
Never saw the article. Can you provide a link? Wrong is wrong.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Here it is John.
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2023
July 25th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
PB,
Repent for what?
In the comments on my blog when I stated I found one of those 1 billion dollar bill tracts. you stated…. with full implication…
http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/2008/07/gospel-of-jesus-christ-of-gospel-of.html
Do you not see how that my imply I was at the casino for something other than work?
Good grief… you seem to hate me so much you slander me and forget so easy…
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Iggy,
I’m not going to get into an argument with you. There is no point for several reasons. I do want to point something out though.
You said:
Now, as I have an annoying habit of doing, let’s turn that around. Perhaps you hate pastorboy so much you remember every little thing he has said that hurt, offended, agrivated you–even if it was justifiable in the beginning.
1 Corinthians 13:4-5
Whether you have some justification by basic standards to be annoyed or hurt by someone’s comments or not, this should make you pause at least a little bit. That’s my only point.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
And that’s a good point SJ!
Something we all can remember…
Especially considering in cold hard text, things might come across much more callous than they were intended. So…I recommend we listen to Solomon and not take offense so quickly, and also, use more smiley faces which help convey the emotion our comment contains.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
SJ,
I have stated nice thing to PB when he has made good comments that are loving and not attacking someone. Every comment PB makes to me is nasty and accusatory…
I think you need to not attribute motives to me. I just wish PB would live by his own convictions and not hold me to a standard he does not keep himself.
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
BTW my intentions for all ODM’s is reconciliation and that they grow in the Grace, mercy and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
“BTW my intentions for all ODM’s is reconciliation and that they grow in the Grace, mercy and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
That seems a little incongruous sometimes in the midst of a game of verbal badminton. Seems like “The Lord bless you” at the end of some of Ken’s particularly pointed comments.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Thanks Joe C, you nailed it.
Iggy, you might have missed the point. I’m not talking about pastorboy. You’re taking offense and keeping it, clearly. Pastorboy may be more offensive than he should be at times–so are you, so am I. That doesn’t change what the word quoted above says. Unless you’re past number 490 on the forgiveness chart. Do we then keep track of all the rude or nasty comments someone has said to us over the years and all the nice things we say to them? That’s not the reason to “say nice things”. That’s not love, that’s keeping score.
You see the point?
July 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
SJ,
The one thing I do not do is walk around thinking about ODM’s all day. I might write about their antics or even mock them (yes there has do be some sort of release) but believe me, I have born with much patience with them. When you are called everything under the sun, you learn to not carry bitterness.
My point is to show their double standard. Almost all of the ODM’s hold people like me to some high standard that they do not keep themselves.
I live by a verse you might remember that goes hand in hand with the one you quoted…
I live this daily… not perfectly… but daily. I forgive so I will not keep a record of wrong.
Now, the wrong I bring up, is more than wrong against me personally… it is against the injustice that is done by the ODM’s. They use Jesus to abuse, judge and condemn other… that is sick.
Jesus did not come to condemn us, but to save us. I call for reconciliation, they call to judge and condemn… they preach the Law and show contempt for the Kindness of God that leads us to repentance.
I stand against that injustice… again, on a personal level their words mean nothing to me… I see they mean only to harm others… I call them to repent and come back to Jesus.
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Three people have crossed the 490 threshold just this week so with them I am free and clear to condemn with no mercy.
July 25th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Carlos,
Man, you took that wrong. I never implied you gambled. I was simply wondering what you were doing in a Casino.
The fact is, you were critical of someone doing something (leaving a Gospel tract) as though it was a bad thing to do.
Touchy, Touchy. Do you have a gambling addiction? I will pray for you if you do. If you don’t, then that comment was just to be taken at face value. If we are in a bar, a casino, wherever we are, we should be there to be light and salt.
July 25th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
I was at the final table at The World Series of Poker 2008. I tithe all my winnings!
July 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Rick,
That was YOU!
July 25th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
PB,
What do people mostly do at casinos? The way you phrased it made it sound like I was there…
You need be more careful in how you address others as to not make it sound like you are insinuating something… especially if you are not and you do not like that person as obviously you do not like me.
And no I was not critical… I just asked some questions about it… why is it the Gospel of Jesus and it has Spurgeon on it? How effective is this sort of tract… if you read it, I asked discussion questions… you read into a critique.
I was very careful to stated I was NOT criticizing… as in the reason I stated:
You still seem to not have very good reading comprehension… which is crucial in being one who truly discerns.
Notably since every comment you make to me is critical or sarcastic, you should understand why I took offense to your statements. I hope you get a handle on that critical spirit someday.
Peace,
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
PB,
again… it is statements like this that make you come across as an ass… and proves my point. Forgiving you once again… and not keeping count.
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Iggy - against the backdrop of all you have insinuated through metaphor and sarcasm and general humor, I think the casino thing should be considered a misdemeanor.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Rick,
It would be if he did not continue in it with he additional comments…
You know “sorry” would be a word that ODM”s could learn and use once in a while… but they seem to not be capable of such humility… just continual mocking and slander is all they know.
The greatest offense is that they use Jesus as the tool to do such sin.
Again… sick…
iggy
July 25th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Carlos,
get a grip, dude. I think the tract is an attractive and effective one, I use it myself. I have been in Casinos also, and I have gambled, so if I seemed as I was casting stones, well, I wasn’t.
You are pretty sensitive though, thats what makes me think you have some sort of addiction.
Anyhew, I am sorry if you felt I was insinuating you were a gambler of some sort, even if there isn’t anything wrong with it, unless it is some sort of addiction or stronghold.
I am sorry, please forgive me.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
PB,
WOW! I really appreciate the apology… that is so refreshing… an no this is not sarcasm…
iggy