Not that I’m really keeping score but if I were Miley is way ahead in the apology count.

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TEEN star Miley Cyrus has told a Hannah Montana co-star she is “hurting” and wants to quit the Disney show after she received global criticism for her racy photo shoot in Vanity Fair magazine at the age of 15.
Hannah Montana’s Anna Maria Perez de Tagle, who plays Ashley Dewitt on the popular children’s show, said, “Sometimes I’ll talk to her on the phone and she’ll be like, ‘It’s really hard’ or ‘I’m really tired. I can’t do this,’ according to Showbizspy.

“It really hurt her inside,” says Perez de Tagle. “She didn’t know that people would look at it like that.”

Miley has since apologised for the risque photos, and Annie Leibovitz, the photographer behind the pictures, said she was sorry for any misinterpretation.

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1   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 28th, 2008 at 7:41 am

My views on publishing people’s sins, much less a 15 year old, are well documented. If we could publish personal sins of Mrs. Schlueter or Ken or chris or me the world would hardly consider us as Christian.

We should not peddle sins, either in practice or in journalism about others. The blood of Jesus is what should be presented when it comes to sin. Let us pray for Ms. Cyrus, the atmosphere she is in and the obscene amounts of money is an incredible challenge to anyone.

2   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 28th, 2008 at 8:00 am

I think its generous to consider Ingrid’s “apology” a half an apology since within that same post she continued to condemn and insult the very person she needed to apologize to, and managed to justify her actions by blaming it on her sources.

3   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 28th, 2008 at 8:01 am

I think its generous to consider Ingrid’s “apology” a half an apology …

I was being a charitable reader. LOL

4   Chris P.    
May 28th, 2008 at 9:11 am

“Miley has since apologised for the risque photos, and Annie Leibovitz, the photographer behind the pictures, said she was sorry for any misinterpretation.”

Misinterpretation….!!?? Now that is funny.
So this site is an “apologetics” site, i.e. we apologize/excuse any kind of behavior as long as we can critique Ingrid.
As I said before, there are those who were wrongfully accused of preaching licentiousness, like Paul, and then there are those who really do preach licentiousness.
Sorry Rick but Miley’s dad, Annie Leibovitz, and the money grubbing powers that be, knew exactly what they were doing. They published their own sins. This was meant for public consumption. Why do you act as if Ingrid hired a P.I. and exposed some dark, hidden secret? They are responsible for what THEY have done to Miley.
Ingrid’s post was one of many all over the internet, mostly “secular” re: this.
No one sees the real problem here, not surprising as you don’t want to see it.
.info would obviously make a deal with the devil as long as it goes against Ken, Ingrid, or whoever.
A study of what false witness really is would be in order here.
This post reveals this blog’s true raison d’etre.

5   Break The Terror    http://breaktheterror.wordpress.com
May 28th, 2008 at 9:45 am

Ingrid’s “apologies” are not, in fact, apologies.

They’re basically in the vein of “Well, if YOU misinterpreted what I said, I’m certainly sorry.”

It’s kind of like saying “I’m sorry I’m much thinner than you are,” or, in her specific case, “I’m sorry I’m much holier than you are.”

6   nathan    http://www.nathanneighbour.com
May 28th, 2008 at 9:54 am

Chris P.

Did any other newspaper or media organization take it upon themselves to write a scathing article, bringing into question her faith and its sincerity. That’s not discernment… it’s just crazy. I am all for writing an article about the fake faith in hollywood… but why attack a 15 year old kid? It’s nonsense

7   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 28th, 2008 at 9:58 am

Chris P. did you mean to post this at SoL?

All my article says is that Miley has apologized several times for these photos. Did I miss Ingrid’s apology?

A study of what false witness really is would be in order here.

Maybe a study about repentance and forgiveness really is in order here.

8   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 28th, 2008 at 10:09 am

Here’s a funny juxtaposition from a few weeks ago:

Kirk Cameron defends Miley Cyrus.

If I could figure out how to link the video to the OP, I would…

9   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am

Sorry Rick but Miley’s dad, Annie Leibovitz, and the money grubbing powers that be, knew exactly what they were doing.

I would note that BRC was not on the set during the photos in question – it was only her publicist.

10   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
May 28th, 2008 at 10:15 am

Chris P.,
In your version of the Story of the Prodigal Son, does the dad slam the gate in the wayward son’s face when he returns? It sure seems like the son willingly and knowingly sinned against the father, yet the father took him back. Surely, the father should have questioned the son’s motives more before he had that big party for him.

Thank you again for proving the scandal of grace.

11   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 28th, 2008 at 10:17 am

Wow.

12   jazzact13    
May 28th, 2008 at 10:56 am

–They’re basically in the vein of “Well, if YOU misinterpreted what I said, I’m certainly sorry.”–

Actually, that kind of sounds like the photographer.

13   Christian P    http://www.churchvoices.com
May 28th, 2008 at 11:07 am

I’m impressed with that Kirk Cameron video.

Jazz, I would agree that it sounds like the photographer. But that does not make it sound less like Ingrid.

14   jazzact13    
May 28th, 2008 at 11:58 am

Perhaps, then, you can give a link to what ‘non-apology’ she is suppose to have given?

15   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Ask and you shall receive:

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=644

A snippet:

. The source lied about the pictures and every major media outlet reported it as truth. I have deleted the story accordingly on my blog. The story, that is, about the photos. The Fox News story that reported on Miley’s erotic dance moves at the concert remains fact, as there have been no reports of a body double at the event. Yet. I will not apologize for linking to stories from major media that are presented as fact.

16   Jose    
May 28th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

chris,
That felt good didn’t it?
Ask and you shall receive.
***classic****

17   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 28th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

Sorry Rick but Miley’s dad, Annie Leibovitz, and the money grubbing powers that be, knew exactly what they were doing. They published their own sins. This was meant for public consumption.

Chris, so what you are saying is that since her parents and publicist and all the money grubbing powers will not protect a 15 year old girl, neither should we. That is relevant Christianity.

18   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 28th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

Love covers a multitude of sins. We should never be a mouthpiece for the Accuser, we should intercede for M. Cysrus. It is impossible to intercede and accuse simultaneously.

19   Dave Muller    http://blog.thewebsiteguy.com.au
May 28th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

The reason I posted that article to submissions is that she seems rather remorseful about it – regardless of her “evil” intentions. Further to that, the poor girl has thoughts of quitting and is “really tired”. Fair enough that the secular media scandalises it, but when Christians do, and her reaction is depression (secular and christian response) how much that shows the results of what is so called “love”.

As Rick says I agree so much that love covers a multitude of sins. Love casts out fear, love does not boast, love does not rejoice in iniquity.

Chris P:

Sorry Rick but Miley’s dad, Annie Leibovitz, and the money grubbing powers that be, knew exactly what they were doing. They published their own sins. This was meant for public consumption. Why do you act as if Ingrid hired a P.I. and exposed some dark, hidden secret? They are responsible for what THEY have done to Miley.

I used to have some respect for you, but we are talking about a minor here. We don’t know which photos were meant for public consumption and while you talk of what people have done to her, none of this helps her as a victim, should that be the case, as if we are depraved in our sins, how could they know what they are doing in a right mind? Shouldn’t we be showing them the love of Christ instead?

20   Dave Muller    http://blog.thewebsiteguy.com.au
May 28th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

“as if we are depraved in our sins” = “and if we are depraved in our sins”

21   andy    
May 28th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

(((((We don’t know which photos were meant for public consumption))))

Photography is my passion,lets not be naive someone employed Annie, she’s an amazing photographer but comeee on she doesn’t come without a reputation, and there is no way her contact sheet is released without her go ahead and the publicist knew that…
cynical sorry

22   andy    
May 28th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Not blaming the young girl or her parents but someone was naive for sure..

23   Dave Muller    http://blog.thewebsiteguy.com.au
May 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

cynical sorry

While I agree with that, it’s still speculation. That speculation added on to others + some guesses makes in the end a very big condemnation created from things that are made up.

24   andy    
May 28th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

David as usual i didn’t write that very well…I loveeeeeee photography but i know photographers, look at Diane Arbus she would of told you anything for a picture..

Just cynical about the whole story and her publicist, reminds me of Briney moving from her Teen/Disney image

Sorry for being so cynical lol

But like Rick said doesn’t mean we have to slaughter the poor girl

25   Dave Muller    http://blog.thewebsiteguy.com.au
May 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

Sorry, I was probably a little fired up in defence :)

26   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 6:28 am

Read the Slice article linked to above, still not sure what ya’lls problem is with it, except that it’s on Slice and so by definition you have to see the worst in it.

27   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 6:55 am

“except that it’s on Slice and so by definition you have to see the worst in it.”

Many times that is not difficult. And in this case, the public dismembering and humiliation of a fifteen year old girl is in fact the worst in any Christian genre. And to claim that because those around her have used her for their own purposes somehow gives anyone the right to do likewise, is a reflection of the unchristian hubris that many times accompanies someone who has a piece of the media pie.

Anyone who does not recognize the open self righteousness of Mrs. Schlueter even while agreeing with some of SOL’s articles is volitionally blind by the “same team” blindfold.

Anyone who has a daughter or a sister or a neice has to feel some loving protection for a young girl who obviously does not have the most protective family situation as well as some wise counsel. She is travelling a road that many times leads to personal tragedy. And all the “Christian” pundants wait like hungry gargoyles waiting to pounce as vindicated when and if Miley completely falls under the weight of her fame and fortune.

Please leave Jesus Christ out of this, His ministry and heart is antithetical to what is being perpetrated upon another human sinner.

28   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 7:13 am

Like it or not, Rick, Cyrus is a public figure, and what she does has consequences and influence. If she posed for such photos, or if she’s dancing in a provocative way on a public stage, and all the time claiming she’s following Jesus, upon what basis are people NOT suppose to comment on it?

–She is travelling a road that many times leads to personal tragedy.–

You’re very likely right. One need only look at the crash and burn of Spears to see an example.

–Anyone who does not recognize the open self righteousness of Mrs. Schlueter even while agreeing with some of SOL’s articles is volitionally blind by the “same team” blindfold.–

Whatever, Rick. I see someone who’s trying to warn others to be careful of holding up Cyrus as some kind of example.

A few months ago, when she had a concert in a city not far from here, the place went nuts over her. The idea seemed to have been that here, finally, was someone people’s youngsters could safely look up to.

The fact that Slice corrected itself is if anything a sign of integrity, not of self-righteousness.

29   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
May 29th, 2008 at 7:24 am

Whatever, Rick. I see someone who’s trying to warn others to be careful of holding up Cyrus as some kind of example.

Sure, Jazz. Just like the National Enquirer writes stories about celebrities dealing with eating disorders and drug problems to warn its readers…

It’s gossip and voyeurism plain and simple.

30   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 7:31 am

Jazz – your definition of correction is different than mine. But your phrase “corrected itself” does seem to ring true when it comes to SOL. Other than itself it receives no correction even from commenters.Ask around and see if any of my unpleasant and correctional comments here have ever been moderated.

So I give the integrity edge here.

31   M.G.    
May 29th, 2008 at 7:38 am

How does pouncing like a tiger after someone stumbles serve as any kind of a warning? What’s a parent going to find more persuasive, the photos themselves, or some blogger squealing in schadenfreude?

Funny.

32   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 7:59 am

–How does pouncing like a tiger after someone stumbles serve as any kind of a warning? –

When you get around to answering that question to someone like PastorBoy, come back and demand an answer of me.

–But your phrase “corrected itself” does seem to ring true when it comes to SOL. Other than itself it receives no correction even from commenters.–

Quite the contrary, I saw a few weeks ago on there another time when Ingrid corrected one of her posts when the subject contacted her about it. If you care to look into that, here’s the link, http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=764

Or if this is some kind of a slam because Slice doesn’t have comments, well, that is her decision. I’ve no dog in that fight that way or this.

33   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 8:08 am

Yes, that was when the beauty queen contacted her about the nature of her testimony at the church. Had Hillary not contacted her, Mrs. Schlueter’s words would have stood. Just like many of her harsh words stand today only because no one has contacted her.

Oh yea, she is some journalist. One forced retraction and all things remain the same since the father’s slept. She apologized because – OH MY – now she has the facts. Christian media like that does despite to Christianity as a whole especially to the lost world.

34   M.G.    
May 29th, 2008 at 8:19 am

Jazz,

Don’t deflect the question. It’s pretty immature. Or do honestly believe two wrongs make a right?

I’ll repeat the question: Do you believe parents, when confronted with a teenager making grievous mistakes, and a blogger who sits at home excoriating her, will really be warned by the latter and not the former? (”Oh, I had no idea that provocative and racy photos of a 15 year old are bad! And that maybe I shouldn’t buy her latest cd for my daughter! Thanks, Ingrid!”)

Come, now, Jazz, you’re better than this.

35   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 9:05 am

jazz,

When you get around to answering that question to someone like PastorBoy, come back and demand an answer of me.

OK fair enough… when PB answers one of my questions concerning which truth i am to follow, his, Steve Camps, Ken Silva’s yours… then I will answer you questions.

But until you and PB and others realize that your “Truth” is relative to your own theological world view… and that each one of you ahve different views… don’t expect me to come running to you all repentant… cuz if you guys can’t decide on what is truth then I appreciate you not bothering me until you find it.

iggy

36   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 10:15 am

I saw a few weeks ago on there another time when Ingrid corrected one of her posts when the subject contacted her about it.

Yes, we covered it in this article – and positively noted Ingrid’s correction. We try to give credit where credit is due… With this particular blog, though, as Rick notes, owed credit is a rarity…

37   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am

–But until you and PB and others realize that your “Truth” is relative to your own theological world view–

All you’re doing here, iggy, is chopping your own self off at the knees. If you really believed what you just said, you couldn’t get on line and discuss anything of a theological nature. As that is what you do, you don’t really believe that your “truth” is relative.

–Don’t deflect the question. It’s pretty immature.–

I’ll be sure the tell Jesus that when He deflect the question about His authority to one about where John the Baptist got his.

–Do you believe parents, when confronted with a teenager making grievous mistakes, and a blogger who sits at home excoriating her, will really be warned by the latter and not the former?–

By this way of thinking, no one should get on line and comment on anything. I’ll expect to not hear from you again upon any subject, based on your statements here.

Now, let’s deal with this topic and the OP.

Answer me this–what is this topic about? Is it about Cyrus’ apologies, or is it about bashing on Ingrid?

How many of you wouldn’t really give a rat’s fart about what Cyrus does or doesn’t say or do, except insofar as it’s offers a chance to ridicule and bash on someone you have distain for?

38   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Jazz,
Its abotu how a 13 year old girl has more maturity than a 40 something year old woman. Cyrus has the decency to offer an actual apology while Ingrid publishes something that isn’t true, gets caught and pulls the article while offering a non-apology apology that is more insulting than the original article.

Oh and then you come along and defend her deplorable actions. If Ingrid were half as mature as Cyrus she would have printed a retraction and an apology instead of a justification and an insult. But I suppose we know now what you consider to be acceptable behavior for Christians.

39   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Yes, Tim, I do defend her in this. I’ve had disagreements with her in the past, but on this I think she’s spot-on. Take that as you will.

40   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

“How many of you wouldn’t really give a rat’s fart about what Cyrus does or doesn’t say or do, except insofar as it’s offers a chance to ridicule and bash on someone you have distain for?”

Overlooking your crass verbiage, I for one abhor that lifestyle which can sometimes be considered a form of child abuse. I have no contact or influence in her life, but my heart goes out to her at that distant level. But when you have run out of unchristian arguments about the purity of Mrs. Schlueter, you resort to questioning people’s hearts.

Do care about my daughter? My grandchildren? Me? The guy who lives on my block. You sir are a hypocrite for suggesting that Biblical truth himges on anyone’s level of caring about which you can know nothing.

41   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Yes, Tim, I do defend her in this. I’ve had disagreements with her in the past, but on this I think she’s spot-on. Take that as you will.

Disgusting. She spreads falsehood and refuses apology and then offers an insult. For all your thunder about what goes on here and then you affirm this.

42   Break The Terror    http://breaktheterror.wordpress.com
May 29th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

I wonder if Ingrid ever has angry dreams where she walks around the house slapping herself and mumbling things like “Hannah Montana….argghfieifhfgargle…naughty dancing …..bberghahtgrgleldjfjkfkd….No, daddy, that’s my pony, you can’t ride it! bhafdhflakfhdlfldhfld…”

43   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

The Christless world protects its young. The names of juveniles cannot be printed when accused of a crime. The identity of rape victims are commonly concealed. The names of molested children are protected. Even the world recognizes the vulnerability of these children.

And even while acknowledging that Miley Cyrus did not arrive at her place without adult “guidance”, some Christians still feel it is their God given calling to expose her for the little tramp they say she is. And others are so lemming like they cannot/will not see the absolute unchristian and Satanic nature of such behavior.

MacLaren exhibits more Christianity than do these self appointed vultures.

44   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

It’s a god-awful small affair
To the girl with the mousy hair
But her mummy is yelling “No”
And her daddy has told her to go
But her friend is nowhere to be seen
Now she walks through her sunken dream
To the seat with the clearest view
And she’s hooked to the silver screen
But the film is a saddening bore
For she’s lived it ten times or more

People who smile can hurt as much as people who weep. Rich people commit suicide when they discover it was all a paper bag full of nothing. I hope God kills me before I ever think I do God a favor by selling their sins on the open market. And this new form of judgmentalism has reached Molech status where we sacrifice our children upon the savage altar of our unquenchable desire for gossip and self righteousness.

And as the blood of a teenager’s reputation flows around the letching eyes of the internet peep show, some who say they speak for Jesus join the hellish festival and cut her a few more times, all the while asserting their anointing as some distorted watchmen. Things like this pierce me to the heart, and yes I do care because I cannot fathom Jesus desirous of adding pain to any little girl, regardless of the worth of any observation. Miley may be headed for tragedy but the tragedy will always be that so many write tearless exposes and think they speak for Jesus. They do not speak for the Savior.

For Annie

“No one ever noticed Annie weeping
People all around, but she was all alone
Mama’s got her meetings, Daddy’s got his job
and no one’s got the time so Annie’s on her own

No one ever knew her desperation
People couldn’t hear her cry out silently
Locked inside the bathroom she grabs a jar of pills
The medicine that cures becomes the poison that kills”

“And it’s too late for Annie, she’s gone away for good
There’s so much we could tell her and now we wish we could
But it’s too late, it’s too late for Annie

Sadness fills the hearts of Annie’s family
Daddy tries to comfort Mama uselessly
They hoped she knew they loved her, but they really didn’t know
They just want to know why did their baby go”

And it’s not too late for Annie, she could be next to you
Don’t miss the chance to tell her before her life is through
We gotta tell her Jesus loves her, tell her Jesus cares
Tell her He can free her and her burdens bear
Tell her Jesus loves her, tell her Jesus cares
Tell her He can free her and her burdens bear
You’ve got to tell her Jesus loves her, tell her Jesus cares
Tell her He can free her and her burdens bear
It’s not too late

45   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

–Overlooking your crass verbiage,–

“Fart” is not cussing, whatever else it may be.

–But when you have run out of unchristian arguments about the purity of Mrs. Schlueter, you resort to questioning people’s hearts.–

No, Rick, I was thinking about this topic, and it occurred to me, “What is this all about? Is the main focus of this thread any form of concern at all of Cyrus, or is it about bashing Slice? And if the latter, which is really what it seems like it is, what is that saying about how Cyrus’ situation is being used here?”

Because, Rick, for all that you don’t like what was said at Slice, the fact is that there is more genuine concern there for Cyrus and for those who look up to her then there is in this thread, which is only about bashing and ridiculing. In that sense, Cyrus and her situation are being used merely as tools here.

–I have no contact or influence in her life, but my heart goes out to her at that distant level.–

Good, I’m glad to hear that. For myself, I hope this was simply some bad decisions on her part, and that she can get things straightened out with God.

46   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

–Disgusting. She spreads falsehood and refuses apology and then offers an insult. –

What is it, Tim? She takes down the reports, corrects her mistakes but that’s still not good enough for you?

Maybe I’ll remember this thread, next time you have to correct something you thought was right but turns out was wrong.

47   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

–The Christless world protects its young. –

Do talk sense, Rick. The Christless world is the one that finds excuses to label the unborn “subhuman’ or ‘potentially human’ so they can be aborted by the millions. The Christless world is the one that encouraged this girl to do what she did, and put those photos and videos out for all to see. The Christless world is probably ecstatic that this “good Christian girl” has had her reputation tarnished, because it lessens any Christian influence she may have had.

The Christless world is not the one that protects it’s young.

–And even while acknowledging that Miley Cyrus did not arrive at her place without adult “guidance”, some Christians still feel it is their God given calling to expose her for the little tramp they say she is.–

So we shouldn’t comment at all about this, eh? We can’t tell our kids to not do as she did?

48   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

So we shouldn’t comment at all about this, eh? We can’t tell our kids to not do as she did?

ME: Sweetheart – when you get a chance to do a photo-spread for Vanity Fair, please make sure that the photographer and your publicist don’t do anything that would look racy. Also, I need to remember not to leave the set before the photo shoot is done, because our publicist, as nice as he is, doesn’t have your best interests in mind.

HER: What’s a publicist?

ME: Sweetie, I need you to know not to do what Miley did.

HER: Oh – OK. When do I get to be in Vanity Fair?

ME: Never. But I need you to know that Miley did something wrong and all of the salacious details so that I can be self-righteous about it warn you.

49   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

“We can’t tell our kids to not do as she did?”

Yes. Our own children and without calling her names.

50   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

Because, Rick, for all that you don’t like what was said at Slice, the fact is that there is more genuine concern there for Cyrus and for those who look up to her then there is in this thread, which is only about bashing and ridiculing. In that sense, Cyrus and her situation are being used merely as tools here.

Seeing how one writer here knows her and is an adult influence in her life, I call shennanigans… Nice try, though, jazz…

51   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

So, Chris, does this mean that you support what Cyrus did?

52   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

–Yes. Our own children and without calling her names.–

And not the neighbors children? Or the children in your church’s youth group?

I’ve reread the article at Slice again, and didn’t see any name-calling going on there. But the article is linked to above, so maybe you can show any places I may have missed.

53   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

So, Chris, does this mean that you support what Cyrus did?

I think it was probably poor judgment of BRC to leave the photo shoot before it was done. Having been involved in photo sessions, I’m not sure that Ms. Cyrus had any idea what she looked like from behind the camera. She’s still 15, and likely had too much trust in her publicist (who was on the set).

I agree with Kirk Cameron’s assessment.

All of the false piety spewing forth from SoL over the matter, though, I have no truck for. It was basically trashing Ms. Cyrus and piling all sorts of invective on her.

54   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

What is it, Tim? She takes down the reports, corrects her mistakes but that’s still not good enough for you?

No its not good enough for me. An apology for spreading falsehoods offered without an insult is the bare minimum since that’s what the secular media generally do.

Maybe I’ll remember this thread, next time you have to correct something you thought was right but turns out was wrong.

Have at it jazz. I’ll happily correct anything that is factually wrong with an apology offered without insult.

I just hope you remember this thread the next time you claim this place is just like the ODMs.

55   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

–Seeing how one writer here knows her and is an adult influence in her life, I call shennanigans… Nice try, though, jazz…–

Shenanigans. I give you kudos for that, if nothing else.

–Seeing how one writer here knows her–

Just to clarify, is there suppose to be a “not” after the “how”? “Nots” are tricky like that sometimes, I know.

56   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

“So, Chris, does this mean that you support what Cyrus did?”

I’ve never seen her except still pictures. This Hannah Montana character is not the sum total of who this young child is. She needs more prayer than the average girl.

The cross was not saying “I disapprove of what you did”, that was understood. The cross was “I forgive you for what you did”. That should be our heart.

57   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

From Ingrid’s non-apology:

Flesh and spirit do not mix. Self-promotion does not go with the command from Christ to deny ourselves, take up our crosses and follow him. Miley is the archetypal evangelical today. Holiness of living, separateness from the world and its value system, a narrow way described by Jesus? No. Jesus is a fashion accessory. He’s a life enhancer. He rocks, Miley says. This is the evangelical spirit of the age and it is antithetical to biblical Christianity.

The gnosticism of the first phrase aside, this is all a snide invective aimed at her.

–Seeing how one writer here knows her–

Just to clarify, is there suppose to be a “not” after the “how”? “Nots” are tricky like that sometimes, I know.

Nope – no “not” was intended

58   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

–I think it was probably poor judgment of BRC to leave the photo shoot before it was done.–

Very likely. At the same time, there is here,

http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/04/61009/index.html

“Vanity Fair editors respond: “Miley’s parents and/or minders were on the set all day. Since the photo was taken digitally, they saw it on the shoot and everyone thought it was a beautiful and natural portrait of Miley. In fact, when BRUCE HANDY interviewed Miley, he asked her about the photo and she was very cheerful about it and thought it was perfectly fine.”"

Now, whether that’s VF trying to shift blame, I don’t know.

–I agree with Kirk Cameron’s assessment.–

I haven’t had a chance yet to watch that video, but I’ll try to when an opportunity arises.

59   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

“I’ve reread the article at Slice again, and didn’t see any name-calling going on there.”

I believe “painted little girls of Sodom” classifies as a name.

60   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

Very well, then

–Seeing how one writer here knows her and is an adult influence in her life, I call shennanigans… Nice try, though, jazz…–

Shenanigans at what, though?

61   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

–I believe “painted little girls of Sodom” classifies as a name.–

I’m not seeing that there, Rick. You may need to give more context.

62   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

In one of O’Reilly’s segments on the photo shoot, among some of the other news stories, BRC claimed that he left the set after the father/daughter photos and left Miley with the publicist, who approved it all.

This matches VF’s “Miley’s parents and/or minders” statement. If you listen to Kirk Cameron’s interview, he talks about being in almost the exact same situation, where the photographer and his publicist were taking him down a path he shouldn’t be on.

Annie Leibovitz is probably the most famous celebrity photographer alive, and it is likely that the publicist was ready to do anything she wanted to do (because of who she is and her reputation). Personally, if my child was a star, I don’t know that I’d trust anyone’s judgment with his/her career and details (like photo shoots) without me always being around. At the same time, were I in BRC’s shoes, having seen the pictures taken while he was on the set, my ’spidey sense’ may not have tingled that something less wholesome was in the offing if I were to leave.

63   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

From this article about Miley:

I grieve for the painted little girls of Sodom today. Their mothers and fathers have not protected them but have thrown them into the dangerous stream of popular culture. They will be destroyed by that stream—pulled under by the powerful currents of lust and greed and hedonism that wait beneath the glittering

surface.

64   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

“I grieve for the painted little girls of Sodom today.”

That statement breaks one of the Ten Commandments.

65   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
May 29th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Painted Little Girls of Sodom

Again, let me just say, great name for a female punk band. Either that or a KISS tribute band…

66   jazzact13    
May 29th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

–This matches VF’s “Miley’s parents and/or minders” statement. –

Very likely, which calls into question the judgment of whomever her minders are.

–I grieve for the painted little girls of Sodom today. Their mothers and fathers have not protected them but have thrown them into the dangerous stream of popular culture. They will be destroyed by that stream—pulled under by the powerful currents of lust and greed and hedonism that wait beneath the glittering–

Ah, in another article. Now that’s shenanigans.

Yeah, that’s maybe not the best turn of phrase. Still, it seems there’s more sadness then gloating in that paragraph.

67   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

“Ah, in another article.”

Same blog, same mouth.

SOL = Painted little girls of Sodom.

Jesus = Let him who is without sin…etc.

I still am watching for the first follow-up post about the restoration of any of the moral targets in the National Slice Enquirer.

68   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Jazz,

Miley is 15 years old… and Ingrid has no care in her restoration… only prostituting Miley MORE to get hits on Slice…

Get real!

iggy

69   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 29th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

When the outrage over sin outweighs the love for sinners that is called self righteousness. If it wasn’t for the grace of God through the blood of Jesus, God would be outraged at the sin each of us individually commits every single day.

But the greatest and most vile sin is that transgression that is proffered as God’s voice, God’s will, and even God’s Word. Somehow the church has become a caricature of the Jerry Springer show, placing sinners on the world’s stage detailing their transgressions.

The deepest expression of Christ is that which intercedes for the sinner, placing ourselves between God’s justice and the sin of the sinner or even saint. Dear God, do not punish her for her sins, punish me. Moses and Paul had that desire and of course our Savior took just that upon Himself.

What would the lost world ever think if they saw the church reaching, loving, and not only overlooking the sins that naturally reveal who they are, but what if the church began to pay speeding tickets, providing bail for some in jail, praying for the teenagers by name who have gone astray, and generally placing ourselves in a redemptive posture at the expense of our reputation.

Oh the times our Lord could have judged the sin around Him and yet he saved His condemnation for the religious and sanctimonious crowd.

70   andy    
May 30th, 2008 at 2:10 am

“”Also, I need to remember not to leave the set before the photo shoot is done, because our publicist, as nice as he is, doesn’t have your best interests in mind”"

Or does $$$ as Oscar said theres only one thing worse then not being spoken about ;-)

71   andy    
May 30th, 2008 at 2:11 am

omg i quoted Oscar wrong

72   andy    
May 30th, 2008 at 2:16 am

Bottom line its a business they knew what the photos would do, and they knew they could say sorry afterwards..

These people arn’t supid she is worth billions..She as the top people in the buisiness looking out for her,they employed the most famous photograher in the world ,famous for manny shots not least Demi’s shot, come onnnnn they knew what they were doing..

Does that deserve Ingrids treatment of her no

73   andy    
May 30th, 2008 at 2:30 am

PS i meant Miley Cyrus franchise is worth $1 billion,they didnt send her to this shoot with a part time Saturday boy …

74   andy    
May 30th, 2008 at 5:21 am

Sorry for my post…I really am becoming a crappy persons!! I’ve totally glossed over the fact that Slice/CRN tried to score brownie points off a young girls problems..

I apologize

75   jazzact13    
May 30th, 2008 at 6:20 am

–and Ingrid has no care in her restoration… only prostituting Miley MORE to get hits on Slice…–

Careful, iggy, you’re coming pretty close to judging motives.

–Get real!–

I am, thank you very much.

–When the outrage over sin outweighs the love for sinners that is called self righteousness.–

Interesting, Rick. Were I merely trying to be clever, I could point out how the outrage here seems to be outweighing the love of at least one sinner.

76   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 6:29 am

I have said nothing about Mrs. Schlueter’s personal sin, I have always addressed the Biblical nature of her “ministry”. I would strongly correct anyone who would attack and expose Mrs. Schlueter personally (or her family), that is the point.

In all seriousness, this is a doctrinal issue. Always has been. And in the sentence you quote I am referring to lost sinners primarily. It has been my experience that the conversion of many teenagers is difficult to substantiate. So we need to cultivate not castigate.

77   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 8:13 am

Jazz,

Careful, iggy, you’re coming pretty close to judging motives.

And Ingrid has not? You defend outright judging of 15-year-old motives by Ingrid and you give me a warning for “coming pretty close”? LOL!

The issue to me is that if they are in agreement with you, you condone their sin… if not you attack people who actually see this for all it is and see that it is not defensible as a Christian to attack a 15-year-old girl who made mistakes… Be them her own, or under the bad advise of someone supervising her.

Show me one clear sentence from Ingrid in all this that show reconciliation and love for the “painted little whores” or whatever Ingrid calls these girls…I mean don’t you see these as people who Jesus died for?

Ingrid should be ashamed to place herself as one that acts like the Grace God gave to all of us who are not righteous… (”no one is righteous not one”)

The shame is that Ingrid uses the world’s tactics to get hits for her blog. Attack a young child without remorse or any gentleness as the bible teaches and then calls her a “painted little whore.”

He without sin cast the first stone… and apparently, Ingrid has become perfect some time ago as the stones fly freely from her…

Sorry, as with the Pharisees in the bible, I think her motives are easy to see. I am not saying she is not saved, I just see that there is no true remorse and repentance from Ingrid and there is no reconciliation in her “ministry.”

She simply preaches Law… which is death and condemnation… There is no grace at Slice of Laodicea

iggy

78   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 8:18 am

Sorry, this sentence was not finished… I was interupted mid thought.

Ingrid should be ashamed to place herself as one that acts like the Grace God gave to all of us who are not righteous… (”no one is righteous not one”) She acts like ssince she recieved Grace she still can go out and bully people… There is a parable that warns about just that! Matt 18 has The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant which should more than end this discussion as to what Ingrid is doing as being wrong.

iggy

79   Zan    
May 30th, 2008 at 8:57 am

I think an interesting quote:

“Self-promotion does not go with the command from Christ to deny ourselves, take up our crosses and follow him. ”

This from the woman that has her picture on the Crosstalk website.

And this from Slice:

“It is published by Ingrid Schlueter, producer and talk show host of the Crosstalk Radio Talk Show.”

How is this not a type of self-promotion? Albeit not on the Miley level, but it still is self-promoting, nonetheless. Where is the line between… what did she say?…self-denial and self-promotion? Apparently it is defined arbitrarily by Ingrid, and Miley doesn’t fit the mold.

80   Jose    
May 30th, 2008 at 9:19 am

I hope yu guys have not forgotten that this wa not the only time Ms. Cyrus has had pictures on the web in revealing clothes. Before this whole Vanity fair thing came out, there were 2 more articles showing her in her underwear with her friends.
Just in case soemone forgot to mention this.
carry on.

81   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 9:22 am

Thanks for mentioning that, Jose, I wouldn’t want to miss anything negative and sinfull about a teenage girl. I hope we can leave interceeding for her long enough to link to the photos.

82   Jose    
May 30th, 2008 at 9:31 am

I dont think a link is necessary Rick. That didn’t even cross my mind.
Better yet why don’t we choose an hour during today and intercede for miss cyrus. What do you think?
Atleast we can agree on that.

83   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 30th, 2008 at 9:33 am

Gas Station Employee: I’m picking up your sarcasm.
Richard Hayden: Well, I should hope so, because I’m laying it on pretty thick.

84   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 9:39 am

That’s fine Jose, you are late to that party. One thing though, you cannot condemn or accuse if you desire to intercede. And if you have, you must repent before the Lord will hear your intercession.

85   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 30th, 2008 at 9:43 am

I dont think a link is necessary Rick. That didn’t even cross my mind.
Better yet why don’t we choose an hour during today and intercede for miss cyrus. What do you think?
Atleast we can agree on that.

Jose I dare say that you may have missed much of the dialogue that has happened previously about Miley Cyrus. Many here have interceded in prayer for her.

Your comment at 9:19 a.m. was nothing more that an attempt to say “Yeah but what about this…see I told you so”. It does nothing to negate our points nor strengthen Ingrid’s position. In other words it does nothing to engender dialogue.

86   Jose    
May 30th, 2008 at 9:53 am

Agree I stand corrected.
My apologies.

87   Break The Terror    http://breaktheterror.wordpress.com
May 30th, 2008 at 9:56 am

Before this whole Vanity fair thing came out, there were 2 more articles showing her in her underwear with her friends.

Miley Cyrus wears underwear?!?! And she has friends?!?!

Ingrid would never wear underwear or have friends!

(This condemnation thing is so intellectually incoherent…)

88   Jose    
May 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

Good one Terror. Very Funny!!

89   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

One thing though, you cannot condemn or accuse if you desire to intercede.

Book, chapter, and verse.

Or is this just like how Jesus wept over Jerusalem even as He told them bad stuff was coming?

Miley Cyrus wears underwear?!?! And she has friends?!?!

Ingrid would never wear underwear or have friends!

Waiting for the voices of condemnation for this classless statement.

waiting…waiting…

birds twitter…
crickets chirp…
a tree grow in Brooklyn…

90   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 30th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Jazz,
If you’re going to give Ingrid the big thumbs up to refusing to apologize and even going further and insulting the person she spread false information about you can’t complain when a commenter here makes a statement you don’t like about Ingrid no matter how classless. Well, I guess you can, it just doesn’t do much for consistency.

91   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

Accusing and interceding are opposites. One cannot be the defense attorney and the prosecutor sinultaneously, that is a conflict of interest.

One cannot be Jesus and Satan at the same time as well. Choose.

92   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

I find it distastefully illuminating to see the effervescent fervor which some exhibit in order to defend their “God given” right to view, assess, publish, and commentate on the sins of a young girl and call it Christianity. That behavior mirrors the system of the world which cannot wait to discover and uncover the sins of their fellow sinners. In the case of a 15 year old it is journalistic pedophilia.

And what could be the reason sinners desire to have the sins of others published, including the under aged pictures of someone else’s child? It is to both feed the frenzied addiction to gossip and anything salacious, and to shout loudly “I don’t do this!!”.

And the most creative and delicate sin of all is that they claim they are being led by the Holy Spirit. They are being led by a spirit, but that spirit is not and never will be holy.

Sometimes finding something you can be outraged about is a religious narcotic.

93   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Waiting for the voices of condemnation for this classless statement.

condemnation from others besides God.

Book, chapter, verse?

94   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

–If you’re going to give Ingrid the big thumbs up to refusing to apologize and even going further and insulting the person she spread false information about you can’t complain when a commenter here makes a statement you don’t like about Ingrid no matter how classless. –

And if you’re going to back such a statement by someone here, you really have no call to get on anyone else’s case for their statements.

But expecting consistency may be expecting too much.

95   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

–Accusing and interceding are opposites.–

I guess that means we can expect you to not make accusations of any kind, right, Rick?

–I would strongly correct anyone who would attack and expose Mrs. Schlueter personally (or her family), that is the point.–

Still waiting for your response to the this.

–Miley Cyrus wears underwear?!?! And she has friends?!?!

Ingrid would never wear underwear or have friends!–

Better hurry, Rick, those crickets can’t chirp forever.

96   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

–condemnation from others besides God–

Very well, change “condemnation” to “outrage”.

97   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 30th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Very well, change “condemnation” to “outrage”

Outrage?

Book, Chapter, verse?

:)

98   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

I believe Evan was making a point through a simile. I do not believe it reached the level of exposing or condemning anyone’s personal sins. I would not have used that terminology but I do not consider it on the same level as the topic at hand.

Your crickets tool has outlived its novelty. Outrage can sometimes be cut with a razor, placed in a line, sniffed up one’s nostril, and can cause an immediate intoxication that results in a self rightoeus high. Once an addiction sets in, the person usually makes an excuse to continue.

Rehab must be in the prayer closet adorned with mirrored walls.

99   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 30th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

And if you’re going to back such a statement by someone here, you really have no call to get on anyone else’s case for their statements.

But expecting consistency may be expecting too much.

Jazz,
This may come as a bit of a shock to you, but Evan was not actually making a factual statement about the state of Ingrid’s friends or her clothing, or the lack thereof. It was a joke, not meant to be taken as an objective statement like “painted whores of Sodom” or other intentional insults that Ingrid slung at MRC.

And again, I will point out, you’ve come on here and defended Ingrid as being well within Biblical bounds in slinging those insults, so even if Evan had meant that seriously, he too would have had to have met your standard for right conduct.

Unless of course you’re just playing team politics.

100   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

I srtongly condemn, in the most pungent and visceral language known to the free world, the referencing of undergarments. It was obscene in the extreme and I assign that language to the fires of Gehenna.

There. I am free.

101   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Rich Thesaurus Freuh.

102   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

If a graphic could sum up a good chunk of the comments received this week, it would be this one:
Taxonomy Fail

103   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
May 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

*Rick*

104   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

For unless they see the sky, but they can’t and that is why,
they know not if it’s dark out side or light.

There is no one so blind as those who will not see. In this I agree with Iggy, unless we take an uncomfortable inventory of God’s grace in our own lives, we run the risk of viewing the human landscape from a vantage point of our own self righteous creation. And the application of Biblical principles will continue to fly downward to others, in our own mind, and our own repentance is usually a painless and doctrinally perfunctory dalliance that dates God’s Word but refuses marriage.

I have often viewed myself as less a Christian as some with whom I have distinct doctrinal differences. Other times I have severely overestimated my own spirituality, only to awaken to find myself in the Spirit’s classroom.

105   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

One thing though, you cannot condemn or accuse if you desire to intercede.

Book, chapter, and verse.

Or is this just like how Jesus wept over Jerusalem even as He told them bad stuff was coming?

Jesus had compassion for Jerusalem… if you read the passage, He even wishes to hold Jerusalem in His arms! Ingrid just calls Miley a “painted little Whore of Sodom”…

You want a book chapter verse!?!?!?!

James Chapter three verses 9-18

9. With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?
12. My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. 13. Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.
14. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil.
16. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. 17. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

That in and of itself should be enough… but if you need more to show your have some bad theology that justifies sin and even condones it we can converse further…

Jazz, I am concerned about you. It seems that sin in not that important of thing to you unless you judge and condemn others over it.
The Father does nto condemn us and gave all authority to judge us to Jesus who stated He did not come to judge us, but to save us. He will come to judge, but until then we are to do the ministry of reconciliation…

To condemn other sinners makes one on the side of the Accuser… nto the Justifier. To see someone consistently only justify evil gossip, name calling and such… especially of a 15 y/o girl is sick if not sad. I see less condemnation to those who are doing actual evil in the world. It seems that Ingrid and you and many others have less tolerance and love for your brothers and sisters than for anyone one else.

You want another Book chapter and verse?

Consider this one.

1 John 2: 9-12

9. Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
10. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. 11. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him. 12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.

You cannot judge and condemn others under the Law and still expect yourself to live by grace… Again you want a book, chapter and verse for that also?

Start just with Romans 5…

Then read 2 Cor 3:

4. Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. 5. Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8. will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9. If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
10. For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11. And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
12. Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18. And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Again with passages such as i have given you hear I do not even see how one can begin to think that one can bless and curse others at the same time… in fact I suggest that if you are under such teachings to get out of there fast as it is dangerous and unhealthy for you, let alone not truth.

iggy

106   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
May 31st, 2008 at 8:36 am

–This may come as a bit of a shock to you, but Evan was not actually making a factual statement about the state of Ingrid’s friends or her clothing, or the lack thereof. –

And this may come as a shock to you, but I knew that already.

–It was a joke,–

Oh, so you can make fun of and ridicule people all you want, and it’s ok if it’s a “joke”.

Wow, don’t contort yourself too much. You may want to untie yourself sometime.

–I srtongly condemn, in the most pungent and visceral language known to the free world, the referencing of undergarments. It was obscene in the extreme and I assign that language to the fires of Gehenna.–

I’ll remember this, Rick. I’ll remember that you say one thing when one person says something, but allow it in regards to someone else.

–Jazz, I am concerned about you.–

Keep your concern for those who ask for it, iggy. I want none of it.

–It seems that sin in not that important of thing to you unless you judge and condemn others over it.–

You obviously have no idea about me or what I’m saying, any more then you understood the pseudo-discussion about God’s wrath, and tried to say I was hating people.

107   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 31st, 2008 at 8:47 am

“I’ll remember this, Rick. I’ll remember that you say one thing when one person says something, but allow it in regards to someone else.”

Wow, there is no need to remember anything. If you are looking for some inconsistency, or hypocrisy, or bias, or shortcomings, or anything that would suggest I fall very short of Biblical accuracy in my own life – look no further. I am a textbook case.

Don’t you feel better now, I’ve saved you a lot of time. Now we can return to Miley, I’m sure she’s messed up since her last photo shoot.

108   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 31st, 2008 at 9:12 am

Keep your concern for those who ask for it, iggy. I want none of it.

You know if i said that, I would told I was arrogant and not teachable…

But then that is the (un)kind of statements you like and use against others

Apparently scripture means nothing to you as I give you answers direct from scripture to your questions and accusations… and you ignore them.

I have found you really eye opening in the lack of Grace, mercy and love that you give others. My prayers are with you.

iggy

109   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 31st, 2008 at 9:13 am

Jazz,
We get it. As far as you’re concerned anything Ingrid does is ok. She’s on your team. If she wants to spread falsehoods about a little girl and then offer a non-apology and an insult after she’s caught that’s cool with you because she’s got the right uniform on. If she’s on offense its a foul, if she’s on defense its charging. Anything anyone does anywhere anytime that doesn’t agree with Ingrid is wrong, and even though I don’t comment on it one way or another I’m implicitly agreeing with that person.

BTW, if you got the joke, you’d know Evan wasn’t making a comment about Ingrid, but about the absurdity of the outrage this conversation is a part of. I think I agree with him now. No use in arguing with a perfect polemic.

110   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 31st, 2008 at 9:34 am

OK, I’ve moved to trolling mode. I haven’t seen any secular press reporting any new infractions by Miley. Does anyone have any indictable evidence about her behavior? Any recorded phone conversations? Text messages? Paper notes?

Does anyone have some information about any fantasies she might have had? Has her makeup exceeded acceptable limits? Has she laughed at any questionable jokes? Lost her temper? Left her room unkempt? Gone over in phone minutes? Talked back to adults? Watched too much television? Didn’t practice her dance steps?

Obviously the secular press has been paid off to remain silent, but where does that leave us? Must we guess at her sins or make some up? Without depenable secular sources we must hold the presses, but that does not mean we aren’t still on the trail.

We know you Miley and your painted girls of Sodom, and we will not rest until we uncover your sin and package it for the consumption of anyone who is ineterested in knowing how wicked you are. And don’t try and hide behing the guardian excuse, God holds you responsible for everything.

Please, I exhort all concerned Christians, go to her trash recepticles and go deep to find future posts. Listen at her bedroom window with recording devices. Let us join together for this righteous endeavor at publicly flogging a 15 year old young girl.

After all there is more sensuality in that than there was in her photos.

111   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
May 31st, 2008 at 10:05 am

It is sort of amazing to me that some are pefectly willing to accept Ingrid’s (non)apology, but can’t bring themselves to accept one from Cyrus.

Oh well, nothing new, I suppose.

112   Break The Terror    http://breaktheterror.wordpress.com
May 31st, 2008 at 10:27 am

Waiting for the voices of condemnation for this classless statement.

waiting…waiting…

birds twitter…
crickets chirp…
a tree grow in Brooklyn…

A tree to hold all of Ingrid’s underpants!

113   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
June 1st, 2008 at 12:03 pm

As this response is rather lengthy, I’ve posted it at my own place.

http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/2008/06/lengthy-response-to-controversy.html