Justice and Mercy #33 - Immigration with the VS Boys
Posted by admin on Apr 22nd, 2008
2008
Apr 22
We’re back with another political topic. This time Scott and John talk to us about immigration. Download the podcast here or listen to it below.
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April 22nd, 2008 at 11:53 am
I agree with the spiritual view at the end. However, there can be no schizophrenia in our view. The Bible calls that double mindedness. The government will do what it will do, we must look upon these people as opportunities for the kingdom.
I have taken illegal aliens to church, hired them without asking, had them into my home, and I could care less about the politics of it all.
Politics is a vapor, these are actual people, loved by God, and maybe even allowed to come here by God for spiritual reasons. Who can tell if we deport them all if we are going against God’s will? The government should lossen immigration laws while monitering who comes in because of security.
Most illegal aliens get a SS card and pay into our system without any hopes of receiving back. They buy gas, rent and buy homes, buy food, buy cars, and usually get paid less than normal.
But that is the money end, our horizon must be higher. Much higher. Trust God for the rest, you know, the soveignty thing. I did not hear the discussion center around what God’s will is in this situation. In the OT God always made provision for the stranger, illegal or not. So should the church.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 am
There has to be. The gov’t is set up to punish evil, it is right and proper for the gov’t to imprison a thief, it is wrong for us to lock up a thief in the church.
April 22nd, 2008 at 12:03 pm
No, schizophrenia would be if we had two wills about it. We don’t, God’s will for what the government is just that, His. God’s will for us involves us. We are not called to manifest God’s will in anything else but the church and specifically our part of the church.
Attempting to veer the governemnt is useless and in fact, as YOU once observed, takes much money and time that should have been poured out upon the poor, needy, etc., etc.. I will conyinue to be the a-political conscience, and John and Scott, I know you’re listening, stop the madness!!!!
April 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Rick,
I believe that the reference to schizophrenia was what a proper view of how the gov’t should act versus (or alongside) how a Christian should act. For example, its proper for the gov’t to deny entrance to a criminal fleeing from another country, while the church should be binding his wounds and giving him a ride on our collective donkies.
April 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Wow, I have dissected your last comment under the most suspicious of scrutiny and with a latent bias against you and I have found myself in complete agreement.
I need help…
April 29th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Just to add to what Tim said, the real issue is that, while it is proper for the government to protect the border, in America we elect the government. In a very real sense, we are the government.
Hence, unless we accept Rick’s advice and secede from our role as citizens altogether (something the Apostle Paul did not do) we have two roles to play.
April 29th, 2008 at 3:50 am
I can’t think of any American who wants the IRS. We (people as a whole - I’m not US) vote on people who best represent what we want and “best” is sometimes the lesser of two evils.
April 29th, 2008 at 6:29 am
To suggest the apostle Paul was an actice political citizen is a major stretch. We should be good citizens. Keep our property nice, help our neighbors, pray for the leaders, represent Christ in Little League, etc..
But when people ask me who I am voting for and without any smugness I reply that I have chosen not to they ask me why. The door swings wide open for an opportunity to witness about Christ and my conversion without getting into political issues.
My wife still votes, but none of my children do. (3)
April 29th, 2008 at 6:46 am
uh oh, Rick breaks out the political stuff.
/me ducks for cover.
April 29th, 2008 at 7:39 am
I saw this quote the other day, Rick, and I thought of you.
April 29th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Phil - When gave instituted the Faest of Booths, but it wasn’t the voting booth!