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1   andy    
April 9th, 2008 at 10:25 am

Hi just read their blog interesting…

I fully understand their reason for being anonymous,but maybe they should restrict their personal post i.e Ingrid’s ? Its a trait i dislike on the ODM sites as well..

Maybe i’m missin something.

2   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
April 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am

I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying that he shouldn’t have singled out particular individuals/blogs as an example of why he has remained anonymous?

3   andy    
April 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am

Hi sorry i’m not very good writer..

I meant if your going to post a blog about someone i.e Ingrid and also have her picture,its rather cowardly/rude to do it anonymously..

4   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
April 9th, 2008 at 10:53 am

Andy,
Perhaps, but its a reasonable step to take given her past behavior. Although, if you’re concerned about the anonymous aspect, I understand, which is why there should be a higher standard of evidence to prove what they claim. Its also the reason why I asked him directly about his motives for remaining anonymous.

The sad fact is that the environment created by people like Ingrid have made it so remaining anonymous seems like a reasonable thing to do.

5   andy    
April 9th, 2008 at 11:02 am

Rudely i posted without listening to the pod, i liked to listen to them on my run :-) I just read their blog..

(((The sad fact is that the environment created by people like Ingrid have made it so remaining anonymous seems like a reasonable thing to do.)))

Then we shouldn’t criticize ODM’S when they post anonymously?..

6   andy    
April 9th, 2008 at 11:04 am

PS i’m out for a run tonight and will listen promiseeee

7   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
April 9th, 2008 at 11:07 am

Then we shouldn’t criticize ODM’S when they post anonymously?..

I think there is a line to be drawn between someone who blogs anonymously on a single, fiery issue, who doesn’t want to be involved in a flame war, and somone who sometimes chooses to blog anonymously and creates teh very flame wars the first person was trying to avoid in the first place. Especially when the ODMs blog anonymously in order to attack a single person rather than on an issue.

But, then again, you may not see things that way. Anonymity does make it hard to trust the word of a writer. As I wrote before I believe that means the standard of evidence has to be higher for an anonymous writer.

8   andy    
April 10th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

I thought the voice was a bit OTT reminded me of that scene from All the Presidents Men

Carl Bernstein: Boy, that woman was paranoid! At one point I – I suddenly wondered how high up this thing goes, and her paranoia finally got to me, and I thought what we had was so hot that any minute CBS or NBC were going to come in through the windows and take the story away.

But that could easly be about someone else we know ;-)

I’m confused did he say the staff and students were split 50/50 on this devide?

He highlighted Ingrid and then followed it very quickly that “fundamentalist” sent abusive emails,did Ingrid urge listners /readers to email him?

Whats your feel about his reply about not caring if people trust him?

9   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 10th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

It added nothing to the murky mess. If only someone with Christian love and reason could have approached the administration and began a dialogue about concerns and with a genuine objective to help and even correct in love if necessary.

It might have been helpful to wait until after Clairborne spoke before unleashing the hounds. Instead you have someone’s wife who runs a blog and with a penchant to come across like an unpleasant substitute teacher. As I said, this guy offered nothing enlightening and without an open discussion that includes all “sides” the impass will continue.

I guess it would have been too much to call for a week of prayer and fasting before either the two professors acted or the administration let them go. You know that prayer thing, maybe we should revisit it.

Nah, let’s keep talking, that’s real power!

10   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
April 10th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

As I said, this guy offered nothing enlightening and without an open discussion that includes all “sides” the impass will continue.

Rick, I pointed out in the intro that there’s nothing new here. This was supposed to be a primer for all of us who didn’t really know what was going on.

If only someone with Christian love and reason could have approached the administration and began a dialogue about concerns and with a genuine objective to help and even correct in love if necessary.

That would certainly have been ideal and would have resulted in no article in the DDN, no fodder for teh ODM hysteria machine, and no reason for those uninvolved to wag their tongues as if they’re important.

That being said, I will now wag my tongue as if I’m important: if those profs did bring their theological dispute into the classroom as Bannerman has said (and as no one has denied yet) then no matter they ought to be canned. There’s no excuse for that type of behavior.

11   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
April 10th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

Whats your feel about his reply about not caring if people trust him?

My feel is that he’s familiar with the people causing the stink and wants to keep them from being able to launch ad hominem attacks.

But at the same time, as I said before, being anonymous raises the bar for evidence. ALthough most of what Bannerman has had to offer has been analysis rather than evidence.

12   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 10th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

“ALthough most of what Bannerman has had to offer has been analysis rather than evidence.”

Yep. But I have been additionally educated as to how a pastor, University President, administration, and others can get so overwhelmed by such bombastic attacks from outside sources that they are not afforded the Christian patience to respond to legitimate questions in a dispassionate and fair atmosphere.

When someone like Mrs. Schlueter so poisons the atmosphere initially how can anyone get a fair and reasonable hearing? Now someone like myself may never really understand what went on and how to feel about it.

And on a larger point, shouldn’t Ceaderville and other Christian institutions be considered an extention of the church and therefore when correction or investigation is necessary a group of elders should be assigned to spiritually discern the situation? And should not these elders take into consideration the theological integrity of the school, the spiritual well being of the students, common ground if any, and an overall path to resolution that honors Christ and if at all possible retains good relationships between brothers and sisters in Christ?

And when some renegade blogger without elder oversight throws a hyperbolic and provocative verbal hand granade into a situation in its embryonic stages, it has the possibility of not only removing a spiritually stable atmosphere for understanding and discourse, it throws indiscriminate confusion to the four corners of the evangelical world. All in the name of standing for truth.

In the immortal words of the Wicked Witch of the West,

“What a world, what a world…

13   andy    
April 10th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Anyhow Tim appreciate the pods! This all situation is just a lot of NO as we say in england and sad all round!