REPOST: Misused Scripture of the Day – Absence of Persecution
I was reminded of the use/abuse of “persecution” as a ministry’s thermometer, and thought a reposting of this 2006 article from my other blog might be relevant to the conversation (then again, it might not be…)
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If you’ve spent any appreciable amount of time reading comments in Christian blogs, you’re most likely familiar with this 1-2 punch scenario:
Person A states a position and cites sources friendly to that position.
Person B comes back with Luke 6:26
Woe to you when all* men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets
Then, just to make sure their point is driven home, Person B will quote John 15:20
Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.
And thus, the implication is that people agree with Person A, and therefore he is a false prophet. Additionally, since Person A is not being persecuted, he is therefore not a servant of the Master. Game, set and match – no need for further discussion. Person B can declare victory and assume any further conversation on the topic is divisiveness, and that Person A is to be avoided (often citing Titus 3:10, just to complete the scriptural abuse trifecta).
What’s Wrong With This?
In the case of Luke 6:26, it is first important to read the entire passage, rather than just the prooftexted one:
Looking at his disciples, he said:
“Blessed are you who are poor,for yours is the kingdom of God.Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.
Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their fathers treated the prophets.
But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.
Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets. (Luke 6:20-26)
Jesus is giving parallel woes and blessings – demonstrating the need to temper our attitudes, and to maintain perspective. Notice also, that the woes are not curses, but warnings. This passage is not a call to asceticism, but a comfort to those in need and a warning to those currently without want (in one or more areas).
In the case of Lk 6:26, it is a warning to the person to be on guard when everyone is speaking well or agreeing with him or her, to be sure that they are not under false conceptions – it is not stating that if people agree with you and like you, therefore you must be wrong. And, just to add to the irony, people in the shoes of Person B are exactly the ones who should not give this warning, since in doing so, they invalidate it.
In the case of John 15:20, it is only necessary to include the entire verse:
Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
In the entire passage (John 15:18-27), Jesus is warning his disciples about what they will face out in the world (after all, ten would die as martyrs, one would die in exile, and one would betray him). In this particular passage, he is letting them know that the people they bear witness to who would have persecuted Jesus will persecute them and that those who would have obeyed his teaching, would obey them, too. To put it differently, from the perspective of the disciples, Jesus is telling them that he is confident enough in them that they can be just like him. The ultimate goal of a disciple is to be just like their rabbi. (Note to literalists – this is not saying the disciples thought they could be divine, but that they could be enough like Jesus that people could know what He is like through knowing them.)
One additional note to make – we, as westerners, often individualize the scripture far more than those who wrote it and who first witnessed it did. In Hebrew context, scripture is a community experience, not an individual one. Because of our difference in perspective, we may sometimes feel guilt when we are not individually persecuted, but we miss the greater point. The church is still being persecuted in many parts of the world, and it is important that we, as a body, should support those who are in the state of persecution, with support requiring action on our part. Even if I am not currently being persecuted, the church is, and it is my responsibility to take action on the part of my persecuted brothers & sisters.
Grace & peace,
Chris
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*If they are pulling it from memory or being dishonest, Person B will often leave out the important word “all”, so that you end up with “Woe to you when men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets”. This makes it much easier to avoid the obvious logical fallacy.




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23 Comments(+Add)
My other favorite misused Scripture is “The poor will be with you always, so I don’t have to worry about that.”
I’ll probably repost something on that one later…
How about?
and then overlook…
This was recently used on this blog by a commenter… He seemed to only focus on that HE will be persecuted as a believer and that seemed to somehow justify him judging others.
iggy
Iggy, the name is Pastorboy….You can talk about me and judge me but at least use my name.
Iggy, I was thinking beyond the conversation with PB and some RL conversations that have occurred, as well.
PTL that VL isn’t RL.
(trying to keep a high acronym count going…)
PB,
I was being kind in not referring to you in how you misuse and abuse scripture to your own way… and not in how it was intended.
This is what the bible states as being kind and gentle in one’s rebuke… but glad to see you are owning up to your abuse and misuse.
iggy
Despite the antagonism between you two…I think you have to consider what Iggy is saying. Really.
Joe
The problem in this part of the world is that too many Christians believe they have the right to come across as offensive religious jerks and and are surprised when they treated that way. They call it persecution when people react badly to them.
I don’t think the first century Christians who were being beheaded, burned alive, fed to lions and such would consider criticism or even passionate disagreements between Christians as persecution.
QFT
Joe C,
I think I am done with PB as I am with Ken… if one sees that they need slander and lie to protect “Truth” or even sees that God needs them to protect HIM… really prayer is all one can do to such deception.
iggy
Iggy,
You call slander, but you do not tell what the slander is, and you do not respond when it is clear that is not slander. You have slandered me by saying I slandered someone who I did not slander, so I don’t appreciate you saying I slandered any one you slanderer.
I back up my stuff with written, noted quotes. You are like Bill Clinton’s defenders when he said I did not have sex with that woman, though there were many evidences that he in fact did have sex with the woman. Just because Pagitt is some sort of emergent sacred cow does not mean he is right. He says he is not a Universalist, but his published books and interviews prove otherwise.
REPENT of your slanderous slandering of a supposed slanderer….
Misused scripture of the century:
Judge not, lest ye be judged
Next thing you’ll be telling me is “Cleanliness is next to Godliness” ain’t in the Bible.
8^)>
I’m sorry to say, Keith…It isn’t
It might be in the Message, however! 8^)
PS I broke the 10th and 7th commandment. I coveted your ‘emergent’ logo and put it on my blog.
I’m honored.
Also just discovered “The Lord helps those who help themselves” ain’t there either! My Bibleworld is tumbling down!!
8^)>
Again, you might find it in the Message….
Isn’t that a version?
Eugene Peterson THINKS it is…I think it’s packing peanuts.
FYI – the reason we are both “the temple” and “living stones” is because “you are the temple” uses the plural form of “you”…
PB,
I stated that you misquoted someone and then stated what they did not state… then i showed you what they actually state and you say they are lying…
So that is slander… slander is bearing false witness against another… and i have stated that also… so you are stating falsehood again by stating I have not said what your slander is. I am convinced you do not care for the Truth you think you are protecting nor know the God you think needs protection.
You have a very small god…
iggy
You know I say the same thing about the KJV…Funny really!
I mean since both are a transliteration and not a translation.
TNIV for this flaming liberal spawn of Satan
BUT!!! If anyone wants to buy me “eat this book” by Eugene Peterson I’d be happy to send you my snail mail address.
Grace and Peace
Joe that’s the same bible I use for most of my daily reading.
Remember all the “hub-bub” about gender neutrality? I don’t see it.
yeah, in my opinion that was a smear campaign not founded in truth. Do you remember when the NKJV or even worse when the original NIV came out? It was the same type of stuff. This summer I did a wedding for a friend of mine. He was married in a KJV only church. They had a ton of tracts about the issues with the NIV. It was the same arguments that I hear people saying against the TNIV only they’re “standing for” the NIV or the NASB.
I asked someone one time who was very anti-TNIV if they could show me where the meaning was different. They threw some verses at me, I asked them to explain the difference to me. They said, “well instead of man, it says people” I asked if that really changed the meaning. They came back with, “Well, they’re just changing it because of a liberal agenda so that’s that. Indeed that is that.