I thought it was interesting that both CR?N and Slice failed to report the whole story on the McLean Bible Church New Years Party. The purpose wasn’t just safe fun.
From Christian Post:
In addition to fun, students were educated about the effects of AIDS on children in Africa. Under the theme “My Resolution: Save Africa,†students greeted the New Year by joining in the battle against the AIDS crisis.
The event encouraged participating teens to help raise money to build at least four orphanages in Uganda for those who lost parents to AIDS. Students fundraised through selling bracelets, t-shirts, and soliciting sponsorship from neighbors and local businesses ahead of the event.
Furthermore, $5 from every ticket sold was donated to the Home of Hope Orphanage in Africa fund. Overall, the fundraising goal is to raise $25,000 to build homes for the AIDS orphans.
Honestly, since Ingrid has declared AIDS a gay disease, it’s no wonder she is opposed to helping children who suffer from consequences of AIDS.
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One: What the sam hill is an ODM?
Two: AIDS was primarily a gay disease, is now primarily (in Africa) a disease from promiscuous sex. The unfortunate consequence of this is innocent children being born with AIDS
Three: I don’t think the church is a place to hold a party, it is a place of worship, Biblical based ministries, out of which should grow a heart of love for those less fortunate. Out of this heart we ought to be always praying and supporting those ministries which are reaching out with the Gospel and housing to those orphans in Africa, as well as health support and the Gospel for those people living with the disease. My denomination is involved in both, and we support these ministries as a church.
So, I think Ingrid’s point is that the church’s role is not to have a party to raise funds, rather, we should be concerned because we are a church, and this heart of love we get from Christ, should extend aid to those in need, remembering our primary call as believers is to preach the Gospel.
Pastorboy,
6 in 10 victims of HIV in Sub-Saharan Africa are women. They are overwhelmingly the victims of polygamy, infidelity, rape, “widow’s cleansing,” and other practices by men. To say simply that it is now a result of “promiscuity” is deeply misleading if not false.
Why don’t Christians know these simple facts, but instead choose to cling to untruths and distortions?
I’ll take young men and women raising awareness over AIDS in Africa over Ingrid and her ilk any day. At least they care enough to find out the truth.
Personally I don’t see why this matters. Even if there was an epidemic of sickness based solely on self-destructive sin the church should still be doing something about it. That is if we really take the Bible seriously.
Tim,
I agree with you. It really shouldn’t matter to us how someone contracted a disease; we should still show them the love of Christ. In Jesus’ day, it wasn’t uncommon to think that sickness and disease was the result of a person’s sin. Jesus pretty much made it clear that it didn’t matter. He offered healing regardless of the cause.
The church is not a place or building. ODMs need to get over that. (Online discernment ministries).
Secondly, I know all kinds of churches who have pot luck dinners. Isn’t this the same thing as a party?
My point is that it is not a gay disease, at least in Africa.
Promiscuity is still promiscuity; I did not say, M.G., that this means that we don’t help these people. Our Denomination is one of the only ones addressing this problem with these poor women, we actually have a specialty hospital in Africa …FOR WOMEN!
Please don’t mischarachterize my statements to make it seem that I don’t care about AIDS or helping whoever has it and however they got it. My emphasis is on the preaching of the Gospel as the primary call of the Christian, and equipping Christians to do that in the world is the primary purpose of the church. Out of a heart of love and compassion for others that Christ gives us, we need to address these other issues, but NOT to the neglect of our primary purpose.
This is Ingrid’s view also, hence the comment about the youth party. Since the primary call of the church is to equip the saints to do God’s work in the world, how does a youth party accomplish this? Shouldn’t we be training up these youth in Christ? Shouldn’t we be able to raise funds for aids without all the hoopla? Shouldn’t our love for Jesus be enough to motivate us?
Pastorboy, there is a tab on the side that says glossary, you might want to check it out.
If 100% of Aids victims were white homosexual males that contracted it through their sin, the church should respond through compassion and sharing with them the truth of the Gospel. Rick Warren made a great statement at the orphan care conference last May. He said what other entity than the church can mobilize a force to work anywhere in the world (paraphrase). The church should be responding to this type of crisis.
What exactly is the difference between a party and “covered dish” fellowship anyway? If McLean had done everything the same and called it a fellowship, the ODM’s would probably never have noticed it. That’s because they sometimes worship tradition over substance. Sometimes I wander if they think organs are righteous and electric guitars are an abomination.
Darren:
You are right. If MBC had a picnic or a car wash to raise funds, Slice and CR?N would have ignored it. It’s the word “party” that they don’t like.
Here’s the best part of Ingrid’s post and the ODM’s when they do this shrieking. She draws some sort of conclusion that because the Christians in Korea are being persecuted this party is sin. Well, great as one of their own once said here, “Pack your bags Ingrid, when do you leave?” It’s just a silly argument.
Matt B., I agree that the church is not a place or a building….amen! But, the local church does meet together, and according to Acts 2:41-47, part of their fellowship was around a meal…so potlucks are biblical!
When the local body meets together, its purposes are clearly outlined in Acts 2:42-47 as well as Ephesians 4- it all has to do with equipping the saints so that they can accomplish their purpose in the world, which is outlined in Matthew 28:18-20
Online Discernment Ministries….thanks!
pastorboy,
It’s always dangerous to try and judge other people’s intentions and motivations. How do we know that love of Christ isn’t motivating these people? This is my main beef with the so-called discernment sites. They claim to discern that which only God can truly know – the condition of one’s heart before God.
None of us were there at the MBC party. What if it they spend the whole time singing hymns (with electric guitars and drums)? We don’t know. There isn’t enough evidence to condemn this event.
Phil, didn’t the author do that to Ingrid?
“Honestly, since Ingrid has declared AIDS a gay disease, it’s no wonder she is opposed to helping children who suffer from consequences of AIDS.”
Actually, she has come out and said that AIDS is a gay disease. I’m not making that up.
Both CR?N and Slice failed to report the purpose of the event. That’s not very good research.
Matt B, I read the article…..thats NOT what they were doing. In fact, they simply took a portion of the ticket price to go to AIDS…
Lets look at it this way…what if they didn’t have a party, and just did a fundraiser, because they love Jesus! What if they took their own money, sacrificing the satisfaction of the flesh because of a love for Jesus that overode the passions of their flesh like the ESPN Sports Zone and video games…
I am not against parties, but shouldn’t our love for Jesus which fuels our love for others be enough to motivate us to help?
But just because she says that AIDS is a gay disease, isn’t it drawing an unfair conclusion to say she is against helping AIDS orphans in Africa?
I am just trying to be fair…
That’s a rather broad brush your painting with there Bud. You assumption is that they don’t have enough love for Jesus. What did you personally do for AIDS people last year?
pastorboy,
It was freakin’ New Year’s Eve! It seems to me that a lot of youth groups would just have a party regardless. At least this church didn’t just have a party, they actually took some of the money and set it aside for this.
You are acting as if this one event is the only thing the church does. I don’t know everything about this church, but I’m willing to give them a benefit of the doubt that they do more than this one thing.
Pastor boy-
Yeah, I’ll give you that it was a fun event. My mistake.
Joe, as stated, part of the funds raised throughout the year in my church support the denomination’s AIDS outreach overseas. I do not know the exact number, but, I know we are one of the few denominations actively YEAR ROUND addressing this cause.
Some of you guys are WORSE than the ODM’s you claim to hate. I am not saying that they do not love Jesus, or that I love him more. I am saying shouldn’t our love for Jesus be enough…do we NEED a party to raise funds /support?
Phil, I am sure they do more than this also. I am simply saying that to criticize the critic seems a bit disingenuous when we do not really know what Ingrid is against. I am assuming she is for helping AIDS orphans, but against the church using methods like parties to do so, because the church has a different Biblical missive, in her view.
pastorboy
You are wasting your time here. the purpose of the post is not to defend partying in church, nor “raise awareness” about aids. It is to discredit Ingrid. The rhetoric used is a lie.
I for one am tired of church’s bragging about all the good they do, and the liberal angst displayed on this blog.
The Lord will reveal all the thoughts and intents, so worry about that.
The real travail is fast approaching.
You’re still making broad assumptions about this church, John. All you can accurately say is this church had a party and part of the proceeds went to help AIDS in Africa, part did not. You and I have no idea what they’ve done the rest of the year. Your statement implies that they NEED a party to raise funds, which you don’t know to be true. It’s not a whole lot different from me saying to you, “So, do you NEED your wife to threaten to leave you in order stop beating her?”
Ah Chris P, always good of you to drop by.
pastorboy,
I just don’t understand why you seem to be saying one precludes the other. Just because this church had this event, which was meant to be fun, does that mean that they NEED a party to raise funds? Maybe they just thought this was a creative way to have a New Year’s Eve party and raise money for a good cause at the same time. I see nothing wrong with that.
As far as what’s Ingrid’s against, she makes it very clear. It seems to me that she has shown very little grace in what methods are acceptable and which are not. The bottom line, to me, is that unless it’s a church she attends, it’s none of her business.
My church had a superbowl party last year. 99.9 percent of the funds went to summer missions trips. I know because I was in charge of the event. Even though the Patriots weren’t in the game, we had a huge crowd. So, it “equipped” the believers.
We also had a coffee house with all funds going to summer missions. Ticket price was $10. We had 150 in attendance. 100% of the funds went to summer missions.
I have no problem doing fun events with a church to raise money for worthwhile causes.
Emphasis mine:
So, Chris P, if the post wasn’t about AIDS, where’s the liberal angst? Please lift the post-modern fog from my eyes.
for future reference, maybe we should compile a list of ‘acceptable’ methods to raise funds in church. How ’bout everyone pays a dollar to throw a copy of one of the following books in a bonfire: Purpose Driven Life, Sex God, Velvet Elvis, any of the Harry Potter Books, and the Pulman books as well. For 5 dollars you can toss in a Brittany Spears or Hannah Montana cd or a Lindsay Lohan dvd…
Cool. We do fun things as a part of our Biblical fellowship also.
Again, I think the point is do people only come for the fun, or are they motivated out of love for Christ. I don’t know, I can only judge that at my local fellowship. And what I can tell you for our local fellowship, we are able to do things out of compassion driven by love for Christ. We don’t need the fun events to be our fundraisers for those things. We do the fun events in context as a church to fulfill part of our Biblical mandate for fellowship with one another. Even in that context, we don’t need fun events, we love being together whatever it is we are doing, and we have fellowship in doing it.
Is that $5 plus the cost of the book?
Joe, this tactic is older than the hills. If modern-day Western Christians aren’t ascetic enough for your tastes, note something from the past or East in which Christians suffered.
See also non sequitur.
ANother thing foriegn to the ODM’s it seems is that churches can do more than one thing at a time, so if they are having a party, they must not be discipling. If a group is having a dance, they must not ever have bible studies.
It’s just a ridiculous line to draw, as a church we can do a ton of things, and yes sometimes (gasp) they can be fun.
I’m glad to see that this party in question was more then just a party for fun’s sake and actually used this event as a huge ministry, but even if it was for fun’s sake, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t living up to their mission as the church, it just means they are living up to the mission of the church, and have fun events as well.
Now I’m off to our over 65 youth group’s auction, a fun event for a different generation..
I certainly didn’t say that I only endorse fun events to raise money. All of our missions teams had to send out letters and emails to raise both prayer and financial support as well.
I aslo can’t question the motives of all who come to our events or give to a church offering. We don’t have the technology yet to build a “motivation detector” (although I heard that the antiChrist Rob Bell was building one, along with that commie clean water device he’s devising).
All of the events that I’ve run to raise money, I’ve always emphasised what I was raising the money for. In fact, it’s a “selling point”, if you will. Instead of saying that I’m having a Superbowl Party, I can say “come to the Superbowl Party, we’ll have a ton of fun and all the money raised will go to summer missions.” Near the end of the event, I come up forward and announce how much we raised. Some people have also given above and beyond the ticket price, as a way of showing their support for our missions projects.
I’m reposting my comment from “An Observation”, since this comment thread went in that direction:
What’s her problem with having teenagers, who otherwise might get caught up in terrible sins of drunkeness and drug abuse, be at a safe and loving location all night on new years eve with other CHRISTIANS in order to bring in the new year in a wholesome God-honoring way?
I’m sorry, I forgot that parties among Christians are forbidden in the Bible? Perhaps ‘love-feasts’ or ‘and they broke bread in their homes daily’ might ring a bell?
Christians in North Korea were probably celebrating with other Christians, in whatever way God had provided for them to do in the circumstances that they were in!
The Christian teens or even non Christian teens who were kept out of trouble by going to that all nighter at MBC were doing what they could for the night in a country that has the freedoms and luxuries to do so!
Maybe they should have hid in their basements from the non-existent, oppressive, anti-christian government, and donned their prayer shawls instead? Notice Ingrid provides no solution, or adivce on what they should have done, but instead offers some nebulous comparison to what she thinks the Korean Christians MIGHT be doing on new years, if they even celebrate our julian new year like we do, that is.
Or maybe they should have gone out and gotten power-blasted on booze and killed 4 people in a drunk driving accident?
Yeah MBC is so evil and apostasized (is that even a word?) for providing a safe haven on new years, in a generation that can all to easily be caught up in sinful and DANGEROUS acts. And getting those kids in to a location with other Christians, and surely some pastoral leadership was there too, is that such a BAD thing?
I suppose I sinned for having my Christian friends over to play board games, swap stories, break bread and eat dinner, and have some wine together instead of hiding in a storm shelter praying the Romans don’t get me on new years. What??
Is there any evidence from the Bible or Church history that those Christians in areas where there was less persecution made sure they never did anything to take advantage of that freedom? On one hand, let’s not forget those who suffer for Christ around the world, with our prayers, and our rescources. On the other hand, let’s not spit on what God has given us and in self-righteousness tell everyone that taking advantage of certain circumstances is sinful and un-christian.
She commited a logical fallacy in this post of hers, I’ll leave it up to our own imaginations as to which one it was.
What would you have everyone do Ingrid? What would you have us do?
Seeing as what God has laid out as acceptable, in precedence of Scripture, doesn’t seem good enough for her.
Joe
*Add-on* Since this event is meant to help the issue of AIDS in Africa, it’s even more God-honoring than I originally thought. Shame on the ODMs for shreiking at the speck in their brothers and sisters eyes.
This is a common tactic of Ingrids. She highlights the persecution and tribulation of Christians elsewhere in the world and then mentions some supposed abomination in American Christianity. Is she using the latter to accentuate the former, or the other way around?
What she does is roughly like saying everyone in America should be driving a beat down old Ford Pinto because an unfortunate group of people are forced by their circumstances to drive Ford Pintos.
From what she’s written, her logic seems to go like this:
Since the Koreans have very rough lives, suffer persecution for their faith, etc etc, many American Christians are apostate and evil because they attempt to engage their culture for Christ with the rescources that God has given to them in this blessed country.
Instead, the implication seems to be we should all go hide in our basements and pray, study dead theologians writings, and wait for Jesus to return, while avoiding the evil non- existent ‘Christian persecuting government’, which I’ll state again, doesn’t exist at this point in America. At least not even close to how it is in Korea, that is.
Joe
You know there are a lot of North Koreans that don’t have heat either, maybe Ingrid should turn hers off, or maybe she should give up her computer and internet. Heat, I suppose is a necessity, but surely computer and internet is not.
Sorry, I meant to turn my name back. That last comment was me.
But PreacherMan…
Surely you know that she is only using her computer for the glory of God and His Church, for the edification of the saints! Surely! And this makes it a necessary ‘evil’. She’s using the rescources God gave her to do what she can to “help” us all.
Oh wait…isn’t that what McLean Bible Church was doing too with their rescources…?
HMMMMMMMM….
Joe
Fascinating. Y’all still are not getting the point, and it is getting ridiculous.
Lets have a discussion about what the church’s purpose on this earth is. We all agree that helping people with sickness is a worthy cause. Nobody believes that we ought to spend our days in a cold basement eating moldy bread in prayer shawls. Not even Ingrid.
What the point is is how the church in America has become very lukewarm. It has replaced its mandate with a gospel of entertainment and comfort. I am afraid to say that many people who call themselves christians would suddenly deny their ‘faith’ should persecution of the style of N. Korea and other parts of the world came to America. As long as it remains comfortable, and we can have our fun, and a good life, we will stay around. The minute the ride becomes bumpy, I am afraid, many will fall away.
And Joe, if all that party was doing was preventing alcohol abuse and a possible death, shouldn’t we be spending time with these kids who might have done that had they not had a safe party to go to in winning them to the Lord and equipping them to live a Godly life?
We are not talking holier than thou, quiet piety, but didn’t Jesus say that we ought to deny ourselves? are we not supposed to mortify our flesh? Believe me, in this culture in which we live, I know how difficult it is. But I ask honestly, if you are not being persecuted now, why? is it because you look so much like the world? because you don’t share your faith? If you were not so comfortable, would you deny Him? I ask myself this question, because I find myself sometimes getting comfortable and enjoying the advantages of our freedoms, loving the gift sometimes more than the Giver. That is idolatry, and very easy to fall into in this culture. I am guilty myself, which is why I am so familiar with these questions I ask. I think this is what the ‘ODM’s’ are worried about in the church at large. Since I know myself, I cannot blame them.
Pastor boy-
Imagine the horror and the hand wringing if someone had a church picnic and at the church picnic, God forbid, someone tossed around a frisbee. Or, played tug of war. Or, two hand touch football.
According to MBC, the gospel was preached and teens were taught about how to look after orphans, which is right out of Scripture. James 1:27.
pastorboy,
I’ve heard this reasoning my whole life. The fact is that many people I’ve known have fallen away regardless of persecution. When the church is persecuted, it usually grows. I’m not saying we should pray for persecution, but it’s kind of a red herring argument. We should pray for our brothers and sisters who do face real persecution, but it doesn’t mean we quit living our lives.
The thing that I find funny is this. I feel that the ODM’s just criticize for the sake of criticism. If they would actually listen to someone like Rob Bell preach, and hear what he is saying, they would realize he actually speaks out against consumer Christianity quite a bit. He encourgages people to not just come to a service on Sunday, but actually get involved with other’s lives.
Even though Ingrid criticizes parties like this, her brand of Christianity is just as consumer oriented. She wants to go to a church service with somber and serious music, a bland sermon where the preacher calls everyone a sinner, and everyone leaves by noon. That what she wants. How is meeting her felt needs different than meeting others? Are her’s holier?
Well, if there was swimming it had better not have been mixed bathing
Pastorboy,
Why didnt Ingrid offer alternatives?
Are parties forbidden in the Bible?
Do you define church as a building or people?
Why do you insinuate that I don’t share my faith? Is it possible that I understand this country is blessed and relatively unpersecuted, and we should take advantage of that, AND I know how to share my faith, study the Bible, serve my community and church body at the same time?
I’m still waiting for Ingrid to give up electricity and computers if she’s got such a problem with our ‘luxuries’.
Joe
Last time I checked we followed a Savior who was accused of being a hard partier, so I imagine churches, congregants and church leaders accused of throwing and attending two many parties are in good company.
Joe, the Church is the invisible body of Jesus Christ around the world, represented in local assemblies also called churches. But you know that.
I don’t speak for Ingrid, I am simply asking you to consider where she is coming from. However, I did offer several alternatives. The key is that the ‘meat’ is served as well as the ‘desert’
Parties are not forbidden in the Bible, but the point I believe Ingrid was making, and I obviously have failed to make is that we (the American Church) are imbalanced when it comes to the ‘party atmosphere’ of many seeker sensitive and emergent churches. I emphasize again that there is nothing wrong with fun, just as long as we are satisfied in Jesus whether in the midst of fun or persecution.
Phil, I challenged the notion that in our (the American church’s) current condition, there would be a huge falling away if there were a persecution. You are right that persecution tends to grow a church, but that is only true of the true church- those who have repented and placed their trust in Christ alone. I fear that those who are attracted by a ’sign’ or a party or a watered down Gospel would fall away. Have you ever been to Ingrid’s services? How do you know if they are bland and boring? Is Rob Bell the only guy who can give an engaging sermon? (I thing he is an amazing speaker, even though I disagree wholeheartedly with his teaching) I don’t remember saying you didn’t share your faith, Phil. That was a list of questions I ask myself as I examine myself.
Contrary to popular belief, the seeker sensitive and emerging churches make up only a small percentage of American Churches.
SO perhaps there would be less ‘falling away’ than you think.
I’m saying that what MCB did was a great alternative to what most do on NYE. It’s not an ‘always happens’ or ‘too much’ thing. How do you know they party too much or focus to much on that, or are unbalanced on that?
We just don’t. They did something good on NYE, that’s my position.
Joe
pastorboy,
LOL! (done in that friendly way I am told I laugh) the feeling is mutual…
iggy
Pastor Boy-
Here is a bit from the MBC website about a future event that is happening in their youth ministry:
I don’t know. What if some nonbelievers came to the New Years Party and then decided, “hey, I’ll check this upcoming class out too?” Sounds pretty good to me. It doesn’t sound like their ministry is all fun and games. It sounds like there is a balance there.
All Ingrid had to do was report the facts. She failed to do this.
Matt, Sounds good to me to. Still not the purpose of the church (that is, the Party), in my humble opinion. I would (and am, and do) go to coffee shops and meet people and share my faith with them, many of whom would never darken the door of a church or a church sponsored NYE event. I think its terrific to teach such a class; I would just do it outside of the church BUILDING.
I wish, Joe, Phil, and Iggy that I didn’t care so much. It is not just the seeker sensitive, emergent, or whatever other group that I believe would fall away…I believe that the falling away will be widespread…even in Ingrid’s and Ken’s church. I pray that in my church, it would be minimal. I will keep preaching to that end.
And now we’re back to a building being church. To say I would go somewhere to associate with people in an activity that I would not go is the height of hypocrisy in my opinion. I’m not saying you are a hypocrite and I honestly tried to come up with a different way to say that but I can’t . Didn’t Paul tell us that God dwells in us. Did the early church not hold parties? Where, pray tell did they hold them? They didn’t have our precious over-funded, and worshiped like Idols buildings that we have to day they met in homes. The same homes where people would drink alcohol, have sex, deliver babies, puke when they were sick, fight with each other, pray, and every other activity known to man.
Matt,
You’re right, all Ingrid needs to do is report the facts, and she actually did report some facts. The problem is, she adds her own biased and angry editorial spin on everything, to mar the subject beyond possible recognition of it’s actual place in reality.
What it seems like she did is took the ‘front page of news’ so to speak and decided to make us all think (by how she wrote) this is all MBC does and all they care about. Obviously this is not true.
One would wonder, what would Ingrid have them do instead that would make her pleased? What exactly is the Bible Studying:to:Fun ratio given in the Bible?
Hint: The answer is not the all-powerfully nebulous ODM statement “What God Wants” which is a statement only used to imply that the critic doesn’t like what you’re doing and expects you to conform to what they think God’s limits are on debatable matters.
All work and no life makes Christian life not life at all.
Love,
Joe
Pastorboy,
I still think you’re operating off of a false assumption of why people leave churches. You said that those “who are attracted by a ’sign’ or a party or a watered down Gospel would fall away”. This may be the case in a small number of cases, but I don’t believe this is generally why people leave churches. I think this is an excuse that people in small churches use to console themselves when people leave their church.
I know this from the experience of growing up in a small church. My dad was the pastor, and despite his best efforts, he just could not get a lot of people out of this small church mentality. I’ve heard people say all my life that people were just leaving small churches because bigger churches had more bells and whistles. That may be some part of the reason, but I think that a lot of time it’s for a much simpler reason. I’ve seen that in small churches (and even some bigger ones), a clique mentality forms, and it is almost impossible for people who weren’t born at the church to be assimilated in the community. People leave because they don’t feel valued or someone in the church hurt them. This has been the thing I’ve seen the most. The thing is, it seems that most churches just don’t want to admit this.
Also as far as sermons in Ingrid’s church, I must confess you are right – I’ve never heard her pastor speak. I have, however, seen the sermons she links to and calls good. Most of them are very rigid and use a lot of thees and thous. So I guess I just put 2 and 2 together.
I forgot to put they also had church in those homes.
Phil, that is a dynamite point.
Matt B.,
Did I miss something in this article posted at CRN? I cannot seem to find anything that either supports or is against teens having a New Years Eve party on church property. And furthermore, from what the article says, it does not seem that Ingrid is against the Church helping AIDS victims in Africa. Ingrid even puts a link on her report so that people can read the entire article. Help me out here. I would really like to understand where you are coming from. But right now it just seems like things are getting taken out of context and really distorted.
Thadd,
Ingrid is contrasting the “true”church which is under persecution against the “false” church that has parties on New Year.
If you look at her wording it is pretty clear she is doing this.
In her mind somehow the two are connected. Ingrid also is very upfront that “certain” targeted churches are of Satan and not of God… such as in her recent attack on Tim Reed who is a writer here.
Hope that helps.
iggy
“McLean Bible Church had teens “partying all night†to bring in the New Year. I wonder what Christians in North Korea were doing. While “pastors†today are filling their time with booze, video games and chat rooms, the true Bride of Christ is purified around the world by suffering.”
I missed this part, where is the link to this?
thadd,
Click on the link at the top of page that says “Slice”.
Please forgive me for my mistake. I only read what was posted at the CR?N website. I didn’t read what was over there at Slice. My mistake. Looks like my commentating could use some work. Please accept my humblest of apologies.
(However, should the CR?N article be included with Slice this time?)
Thadd is my homeboy.
I don’t quite get what you’re saying, as Slice refers to the article linked on CRN.
Anyway, on a related note, I’ve always found it quite funny that CRN has SOL listed as a “Research Link” on the side of the page. “Research” is simply copying and pasting articles, I guess.
CR?N was, in my mind, implying that something nefarious was going on at MBC. CR?N doesn’t just post news stories. They always have a reason.
I actually wasn’t going to post about this until Ingrid jumped in with her comment.
It is very possible that I missed a reference in this thread, but a LOT of churches I know of in the area I live in have large NYE parties for their High School kids with encouragement to bring friends is to provide an alternative to many of the other things going on NYE which tend to get kids into trouble – sometimes with deadly consequences.
When I was in leadership for our church’s youth group, this was an unspoken reason we gave up our New Year’s Eve to provide something for the kids…