…and why you should read a book before you review it!
This past Friday night, I attended Rob Bell’s ‘The gods Aren’t Angry” Tour stop in Indianapolis. While I was tempted to write a blow-by-blow review of the presentation, I think that John over at Verum Serum has already done a pretty spot-on description of the basics of that Rob talked about.
I still would like to offer some thoughts on this, in light of the multiple arguments going on about what Rob left out and what the topic actually wasn’t about.
The Topic
The best way to describe the overall topic matter would be to say that Rob Bell was giving a narrative defense of how we are saved by faith in what God has done and not by works that we have to do. It is about God being at peace with us because of what HE sacrificed, and not an angry god that leaves us in limbo as to whether he loves us or not – requiring more and more sacrifices (works) to appease His anger.
The Audience
It was fairly apparent from the inside jokes and language chosen by Bell that his primary audience was one that already had a basic grasp of Christianity. While the aspects of the gospel message were included, this was designed to help individual Christians take the next step in understanding their relationship with and to God.
The Controversy
Most, if not almost all, of the controversy stems from the title and whether or not God is ‘angry’ with sin. To spend all of your time arguing about whether or not sin angers God is to argue about something that wasn’t the topic of Bell’s conversation, and is the equivalent of writing a review (positive or negative) of a book you haven’t read.
The Actual Message
Bell’s talk was divided into five basic parts:
Part I: The Basis of the Sacrificial System
Here, Rob talked about the origins of sacrifice, where man could see the things happening in the world that affected him, but he could not control – the sun, the stars, the moon, growing seasons, pregnancy, and on and on. Out of this, man believed that each of these things had a ‘god’ which kept it going. When things were not well (like with drought), it meant that gods were at conflict with each other – or that they were witholding their favor because of something man did.
So, man then created ways in which to sacrifice to the gods by making altars (Bell had a replica of the Temple altar as his only stage prop), and sacrificing things on those altars which were representative of that which they were trying to appease the gods.
The problem arose, though, in that they had no connection to these gods to know if they were angry with them or not. If the crops did well, they wanted to make sure that they sacrificed more, lest the gods be angry over them not giving enough. But how much was enough? If the crops did poorly, then perhaps they hadn’t given enough, and they needed to give more. Or they needed to give something more valuable to themselves (like their own sex organs or their own children). This led to a vicious cycle where they needed to bless the gods and sacrifice to them more and more, and to find things more and more valuable to themselves to sacrifice to the gods.
Part II: Abraham
And so then along comes Abraham. The One true God contacts him directly (something new) and tells him to leave his household (which means more than just physically leaving it, but to also leave all of its practices behind). This was also something new. Then, instead of God telling Abraham how to bless Him, God says that He will bless Abraham, and that Abraham will pass on those blessings to other people. This was radically different.
Then, when Isaac was born, God tells Abraham to bring him up to Mount Moriah and to sacrifice him. While much of the Christian emphasis has been on how faithful Abraham was in taking his own son to kill him (”flannelgraph that one”, Rob added), the end of the story comes when God provides the sacrifice – not Abraham.
Part III: Leviticus
When the children of Israel left Egypt, God gave them a sacrificial system. In this, what was required for sacrifice was specified (which eliminated the need to guess how much God wanted), and instructed that the worshipper bring the sacrifice to the altar, to sacrifice it to God, and to then leave, knowing that he was at peace with God (which eliminated the need to guess whether or not God was at peace with you). This was radically different than all of the surrounding nations and the pagans in the land, who were still following the old sacrificial systems (from Part I).
Within Leviticus, there was even an offering specifically for peace. In this offering, the worshipper would take a part of his sacrifice to the altar, so that he could be at peace with God, and then he would take the remainder of the sacrifice back to his family and celebrate that they were at peace with God.
Part IV: JesusÂ
When Jesus arrived on the scene, the sacrificial system had been taken over by the Sadducee party, which had turned it over to create their own source of wealth. This system, they enforced with the occupying Roman forces (from the Antonia, right next to the Temple), who tortured and crucified many people who ran afoul of the system. And so Jesus comes onto the scene and threatens this sytem in multiple ways, so he had to be killed, and was then resurrected.
In sacrificing the most precious part of Himself, Jesus, God did away with the Levitical sacrificial system and permanently made peace with those who would claim Jesus’ sacrifice as their own.
Part V: Us
In the Psalms, Micah, the gospels, Romans and Hebrews, we find out that the sacrifices are not for God – they are for us. He desires obedience, not sacrifices. So, in the ritual at the altar – sacrificing for your sins and then walking away from the altar, knowing you are at peace with God – the most important part for God is us being at peace with Him.
Repentence is not an act that we perform (or a sacrifice that we make) – this follows the old mode of sacrifice, where we try to give something to God so that He will make peace with us. Rather, repentence is walking in a way that would not lead us to make this sacrifice in the first place – it is God’s gift to us. Jesus paid a price that we don’t have to keep trying to pay, whether it is through the “right” rituals or observances or through sacrificing things He has given to us. Rather, we are to be “living sacrifices” (an interesting contradiction/juxtaposition, Bell noted), where we give ourselves to God all of the time, knowing that we are at peace with Him.
It is during this part of the talk that Bell gives numerous personal examples that all tie into this theme.
In Short
“the gods are not angry” was an excellent presentation for any Christian, and a great way to start a conversation with an unbeliever. For me, it put together the pieces of the sacrificial system and how this thread carried through the entire Bible.
What it didn’t do was tell everyone “you’re OK, so don’t worry because God’s not angry with you” – which is what some folks just want to believe he said. There is an old adage that is so true: “If you are searching for fault, you will always find what you are looking for.” This seems to be the case with the critics of this particular tour.







17 Comments(+Add)
Well said, Chris.
Great overview.
Good insights.
I wish Bell would come somewhere over in this direction of the country.
That jives with what I saw in Philadelphia, the way the critics where sounding off it made me think ours was unique and he was crazy everywhere else, glad to hear that’s not the case.
Julie – you could write to Mars Hill Bible Church and let them know that there are lands between Minnesota and Washington… Otherwise, you might have to just wait for the DVD’s.
Speaking of which, last year’s tour – Everything is Spiritual – is a good DVD for the ol’ Christmas list…
Thanks for the summary, from someone who was sympathetic. I am certain your conclusion is wrong. Rob Bell’s presentation of the sacrificial system is wrong. It is not completely wrong. Any time we try to sacrifice ourselves to please God we return to a pagan sacrifice. God’s sacrifice does provide peace. But your summary of Bell confirms Bells denial of propitiation, the appeasement of God’s anger against sin. It denies death as the curse of God. It denies Hell as the judgment of God. The cross as God’s curse against sin. Sacrifice as a reminder of judgment against sin. This is an essential to the Christian message. These are themes denied by Rob Bell in all his writings, all his sermons, all his short films. These are clear teaching of the sacrificial system you need to explore in order to find the Biblical truth and not the truth repainted by Bell, something he thinks is totally acceptable. Repaint, reinterpret, reimage, replace Biblical truth with Bell truth. Not the title of his first book, Velvet Elvis, Repainting the Christian Faith. “The Gods are not Angry” is a repainting of the sacrificial system, not the sacrificial system of the BIBLE. Do not go to Rob Bell to “put together the pieces of the sacrificial system and how this thread carried through the entire Bible”. He misses the mark, repaints the depth and power of the Biblical witness. I make this judgement based on your summary.
If nothing else, Casey, it’s nice to see that you’re pretty much consistently wrong on Bell…
Paul must not have known what he was talking about when he wrote:
He must not have realized he was making a pagan sacrifice.
Actually, he does NOT deny this, but rather that Jesus’ sacrifice was more than just a penal atonement, but a ransom offering, as well, more in line with the Christus Victor view of Jesus’ sacrifice (which was the common teaching in the church for more than its first millennia).
Actually, the sacrificial system was part of a covenant system – not a penal one – which is first witnessed in Genesis 15. Perhaps you’ve not read Leviticus, either, where not every sacrifice is a “sin” payment.
I guess, though, that Paul pretty much was clueless when he viewed Christ’s sacrifice as not limited strictly to individual propitiation when he wrote:
Yeah, that Paul… what was he thinking?
[Or, perhaps you're just ticked that all your tripe was removed from Bell's wiki page...]
OH Casey. I’m curious, if you would give us your interpretation (since your’s is obviously right) on the Hebrews passage that Rob talked about on tour. And no, I’m not going to give you the reference because obviously you were there and you know what Rob was talking about.
Thanks.
No – it’s more of a challenge to strip away what is just “tradition” from what is actually written in the Bible – to recognize that systematic theologies and creeds can be useful as teaching tools but devastating to the faith when seen as icons of the trutn…
If you’ve actually read Velvet Elvis, then you’ll recognize Bell’s use of an old quote: “If it true, it’s not new and if it’s new, it’s not true.” Basically, it is a call to go back to the Bible and rediscover what was there before centuries (and, in some cases, millennia) of traditions and systems were added to it…
I wonder if our Casey is this Casey
I believe he is – that’s the same junk I removed from the wiki page…
Without looking hard, I found at least three out right lies and miss communications. It’s sad really.
Funny how even faced with quotes like this from Rob Bell, the ODM’s insist their version of reality is true…
In fact this pretty much shuts down 98% of the criticism of Bell… Funny how all their so called “research†seems to miss things like this… and with Brian McLaren also…
I think it is because they either do not understand the meaning or the word “justâ€â€¦ as in “it is not just this, but more…â€
They seem to think it means “It is not this, though traditionally it has been taught that way by men called the ‘Great Reformers’, and we need to hold to the traditions of men with all tenacity that the RCC did when confronted with a little monk who insisted ‘penance’ meant ‘faith’… but we don’t really care about being biblical if it does not match up with 19th century Darbyism or the traditions and teachings of a few men in the 16th century…these (fill in some sort of degrading name here) want to deny all this and change it to something else.â€
Or something to that effect.
They just miss what “just†means… “Yes this, but more than that.â€
iggy
I wonder how anybody can deny death?
We all die don’t we?
Chris I have also taken up my place on the Wiki pages…
I recently scrubbed the following quote from the McLaren criticism section.
Which I believe is an Appeal to Authority.
And Casey…Please go to the tour before rambling on what you believe to be Bells misunderstandings of scripture.
Chris,
The statement about D.A. Carson would be more of a concern to wikipedia because its POV is not neutral. If they’re quoting directly from Carson’s book and it directly relates to McLaren (and is not too lengthy, etc.), a short statement may be allowed, though it has to be balanced with the overall tone of the article.
I left the D.A. Carson reference in the bottom section because it was not a self-published book (even though it seemed to misappropriate McLaren as if he is the definition of the ECM).
I don’t get the “substitutionary atonement” only people…
1. It is not an “atonement” but a “propitiation” it is the difference between putting a blanket over vomit on the carpet or having the carpet made clean as if it was never messed up. Propitiation is the idea of a ransom given to pay for our sins so that we do not have to collect the “wages†of sin being death.
2. The gospel of Mark is about Christus Victory. To state that that the only view is substitutionary atonement means we need throw out that Gospel as it does not teach that idea, but it teaches the idea of the “suffering Kingâ€.
3. Atonement is an Old Testament and old covenant view. “Taking away the sins of the world†is the NT teaching and view. Jesus not only covers us, but also cleanses us… or as Hebrews states:
It seems funny that to teach just “penal atonement†is to them more “biblical†as you need deny major passages of scripture to make that a “truthâ€.
iggy
PSA and CV are two sides of the same coin. I think most people who say they only believe in PSA, actually believe in CV without even knowing it. A kind of weird denial, if you will.
I think you made some great points Iggy, thank you.
Joe