I had to laugh at this article.  The Southland Christian Church in Lexington Kentucky recently sent letters to Brittney Spears in an effort to show love where none is being shown.  Look how the “editor” ends their piece against this church.

The post-modern juggernaut, i.e. seeker sensitive/mega/emerging/emergent/ culturally relevant churches have joined the TBN/charismania crowd in the cult of celebrity.

So, which one is Southland Christian Center?  seeker sensitive?  mega church?  emerging?  emergent?  culturally relevant?  charismania? I guess we could always try the shotgun approach and just throw em all out there, so ALL the bases are covered.  We could just accuse anyone who does anything different than us of being a megaseekeremergentingchrismania relevant church.

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1   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
October 28th, 2007 at 6:07 am

I find it almost incredible that a Christian would crticize/mock a church for reaching out to anyone. What if they were reaching out to one of the insignificant mothers in Kentucky but not all, would that also warrant a disdain? Does praying for a celebrity mean you have “celebrity Christianity” or does it mean you realize celebrities have souls too?

Do notes that offer prayers and love through Jesus constitute liberal methodology? This another example of the heartless watchmen mentalitity that sees no good and has no compassion, only disdain. And I will continually contend that this is also an example of how fatalism frees some people to criticize anything and everything because they maliciously use God’s election and sovereignty as an excuse for uncaring and unchristian behavior.

I have prayed for Brittney Spears and feel that she might take her own life if Christ doesn’t come into her life. It is no sin to reach out in love and concern in Jesus to anyone, if fact it is exactly what Jesus did when He walked among us.

This attitude is disgusting but expected. If John MacArthur had sponsered such a letter writing campaign they would have praised him as being evangelistic. And that is another example that separates Jesus from these kind of people, He was not a respector of persons. And when confronted with a choice, I believe Jesus might have gone to a party at Brittney’s home rather than a watchmen conference.

2   Chris P.    
October 28th, 2007 at 7:58 am

It is evident that either
1. You did not read the entire post, or
2. You did, but chose to ignore it
I opt for #2.

First of all John MacArthur didn’t promote such a letter writing campaign, so it is a moot point.

Second, This church could care less about Britney Spears, as it is obvious that nathan doesn’t either. All this blog and its contributors care about is discrediting the “watch doggies”
Rule of thumb;just say the opposite of whatever CRN says. That has been the the ec modus operandi also re: the modernist evangelical church. Great theology.

The categories listed in the original post encompass any and all of the publicity-hound/cool/relevant christianity that exists today. So Southland is any or all of the listed categories of churchianity (yes, churchianity). I believe that is the point.
Notice that the CRN post also asked the question why this church isn’t making the effort to reach out to the “non-celebs” i.e. the peons, which one pastor I iknew called them many years ago at a staff meeting I attended, who are going though the same thing or worse.
Answer: It doesn’t sell books or pack the pews.
I don’t care if it’s Warren, Mc Manus, Osteen or whomever. The anti-McManus blog that was linked to here a few days back had an interesting link cincerning pastoral narcissism. this is the real issue. I believe that Paul mentioned “lovers of themselves” in his end times manifestations list.
All the “new thing” is interested in is numbers, money and notoriety. If Southland Christian really cared to follow the master, they would labor in obscurity.

There is no mention in the Gospel of Jesus trying to get His name in the “paper”

For the intellectually impaired I posted the CRN article.
I am not “against” (your rhetorical spin) any particular church
I am against the farce that calls itself the new move of God, which terminology btw, which is unsupported by Scripture.
One last point, the Gospel is not Jesus loves you. Rather it is, because He loves you He wants you to come to Him and knock off what you are currently doing, i.e. repent.
I read the phrase “go and sin no more” many times in my Bible. I have never read the words accepted “just as you are”
Preach the Word as that is the only way true faith comes.

3   Chris P.    
October 28th, 2007 at 8:03 am

Of a truth, Jesus was no respecter of persons therefore neither am I. This includes any and all denominations, teachings, traditions or methods also.
This church picked Britney becasue she is a celebrity, and that is the point. Jesus did not go out of His way to seek only the “visible” of His day. He would have gone to Britney on His own, quietly, as well as to the “common folk”


4   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
October 28th, 2007 at 9:14 am

First of all Chris how do you know that church doesn’t reach out to others? And how can you assign a “sell books and pack the pews” motive without even speaking to them? And just because there was no mention of the gospel in the “secular paper” how can you assume there wasn’t any mention of it?

Intellectually impaired? How can we know who posted it? And Chris, I mean this as a brother who has no axe to grind with you, why won’t you people put your name to your articles? There must be a reason and it looks like an attempt to deflect criticism by using a guessing game. I don’t always disagree with everything posted over there, I think the Hagee post is exactly what should be posted, but the Brittney outreach was a poor choice.

5   Darren Sapp    http://www.vaporministries.blogspot.com/
October 28th, 2007 at 9:40 am

I don’t think the editor understands the Gospel. I think we all assume because someone is rich and/or famous they are unreachable. Another example is my former boss that was so immoral and so rough that I use to think that he would never hear the Gospel.

In prison ministry, I witnessed a murderer, a giant of a man, the meanest I had ever sin, come to Christ and is now living for the Lord in prison.

Mr. or Mrs. Editor: Everyone needs the Gospel.

6   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
October 28th, 2007 at 10:04 am

Here is something under starnge and unusual. During this past year I had a dream that Brittney Spears got saved, and my family was in church as she stood to give her testimony. Her clothes were very modest and her look was also and she told us all of God’s grace.

I do not know what to make of that, but it made me pray for her salvation – and I’m not trying to sell books or pack pews.

See Chris, we don’t need less outreach, we need more. And the last thing we should ever criticize is an attempt at evangelism even if we don’t agree. The disciples came to Jesus and were disturbed thatsome were making converts that were not a part of the orthodox circle where Jesus was the pastor. The Lord said if they were not against Him they were for Him.

When someone perverts the gospel like John Hagee he needs to be confronted, lovingly but strongly. But when people reach out to a sinner even in a way thatwe would not we need to pray that by God’s grace He can use that letter to reach her heart. That is the Spirit of Christ.

And Chris, about Jesus always going privately to meet with someone, he publicly and in front of a huge crowd called upon Zacchaeus and went to his house publicly. The same for Matthew and others. You are wrong, Jesus was willing to reach everyone whether publicly or privately. He was criticized for going to some heathen parties. That is God’s love, no reputation. 

7   Tim Reed    http://churchvoices.com
October 28th, 2007 at 1:07 pm

If Chris P was serious about this:

All the “new thing” is interested in is numbers, money and notoriety. If Southland Christian really cared to follow the master, they would labor in obscurity.

We’d see him rebuking Ken for his constant link whoring.

8   Tim Reed    http://churchvoices.com
October 28th, 2007 at 1:09 pm

One last point, the Gospel is not Jesus loves you. Rather it is, because He loves you He wants you to come to Him and knock off what you are currently doing, i.e. repent.

Also, how is that not a works based theology? The gospel is “knock off what you’re doing”?

Of a truth, Jesus was no respecter of persons therefore neither am I.

Your watchdoggies ladies and gentlemen. How did we get from “love your neighbor” to “Jesus was no respecter of persons”?

9   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
October 28th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

“One last point, the Gospel is not Jesus loves you.”

So I guess Jn.3:16 is a seeker sensitive view?

“Rather it is, because He loves you He wants you to come to Him and knock off what you are currently doing”

I can’t knock off what I am doing, that’s why I need Him. Such a legalistic view of salvation. I’ve yet to meet a Christian who has completely “knocked off” what he was formerly doing including pride and other sins of the spirit. And I’ve yet to see one who does waht he is supposed to do including being clothed with humility, loving your brethren, and praying without ceasing.

The gospel is that Jesus has accomplished what we could not and it has nothing to do with knocking off anything, that is a process that comes later.

10   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
October 28th, 2007 at 1:58 pm

Chris P.
Thank you for not giving a drive by comment. While I disagree with your espoused view of the gospel entirely –I believe the gospel message is Jesus Loves You– I respect the fact that you actually gave an answer. Others seem to have asked some salient questions so I will retire to write yet another paper

11   nathan    http://www.nathanneighbour.com
October 28th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

“This church could care less about Britney Spears, as it is obvious that nathan doesn’t either.”

anything from the article that would suggest that? Or did the spirit allow you to “discern” that? I did read the whole article, and found NOTHING that would suggest what you have said.

Before you ran your mouth off, like a babbling fool, maybe you should have read done a LITTLE Christian research and looked at the church’s website http://www.southlandchristian.org/staff2.php?group=care&id=213

They have PLEANTY of ministries reaching out to the — how did you put it… peons of Lexington. Looks like this megaseekeremergentingchrismania relevant church is doing alot more than you would like to think.

12   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
October 28th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

Thanks for the link, Nathan. And in full disclosure here is their mission statement which does not include the many outreach ministries they have:

“Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:18-20 (NIV)
It’s known as the Great Commission – a command from Jesus’ own lips for Christians to carry on His work and carry out His Word. We are called to spread the good news of His life and love to everyone we encounter. It’s not meant to be an easy task, but part of being a Christian is putting your own wants and needs aside, stretching beyond your comfort zone, and reaching out to others in love.

That’s why Southland values global missions work. Though we cannot financially support every worthy missions project around the world, we prayerfully consider every work that comes before us and we consider ourselves blessed when God calls Southland to be a part of spreading His kingdom.

Please keep all of Southland’s missions partners in your prayers, remembering the sacrifices they are making as they answer God’s call. If you would like to be involved in Southland’s short-term missions work – whether it’s through financial or prayer support, or by taking a short-term missions trip – check out the information on our scheduled trips. ”

I would imagine that to any fair minded person that this would indicate a burden for souls far beyond Ms. Spears. I also didn’t see any book drives either!!

13   nathan    http://www.nathanneighbour.com
October 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pm

what makes me really upset is when the christian RESEARCH network does very little research in their posts. This was a simple matter of looking at the church’s website. Heck, one of their main links was “get help”. A second grader could figure out that they are caring for the “peons” of Lexington.

14   Julie    http://www.loneprairie.net/lp_blog/blog.htm
October 28th, 2007 at 6:31 pm

…seeker sensitive/mega/emerging/emergent/ culturally relevant churches have joined the tbn/charismania crowd in the cult of celebrity.

Sometimes, I guess, there just aren’t enough slashes. (Modified Gump)