I am sure this has been used here before but my immediate thought when reading this was Dawgs returning to their own vomit.
While Mike Corley, seems cautious of the EmMovement, he has expressed an openness to dialog and that I give him credit.

The more I learn and open my eyes to this stuff the more I realize that this side of the isle has it right (or at least humility). The dawgs say this and that because of the authority of the infallible, inerrant, God breathed scripture. Yet, what do they have to say about scholars who study textual criticism and prove that scripture has been added too and changed throughout these 2000 years? I like how Brian McClaren puts it as I read A new Kind of Christian with spider web scenario (those who read the book know what I mean). I was once one who took scripture as my foundation, as in a building, once I learned how scripture has been changed my “Christian” building started to lose its foundation. McClaren seems to be putting it back for me. Many think he is a heretic, I am still learning, I don’t know but, I do like a lot of what he says, it is what I need right now……

Once again turning this into something that it isn’t.
Where was everybody when both my parents died?

Looks to me like Dan Kimball is the idol, as he is one of the anointed. He doesn’t deserve any better treatment than anyone else.
Do not tell me that the ecm is not a mirror of roman catholicism. It is the new imaginarium/magesterium.
BTW who cares what politicians do?

While you are worrying about the odm sites, you should be concerned that you will also answer for every idle word and believe me this blog is full of them.

Crappily, I like that word.

I am sure Chris will start throwing out scriptures like “There is none good, no not one” etc to justify not caring for other people during hardship.

I am glad God broke those chains of fundamentalism as I can love people a lot more now……

Since it’s pretty clear that the ODMs will not be rising above the (lack of) intelligence level of GBA anytime soon, could they at least put a statute of limitations on the thing? A four-year-old book?!?!

To quote Pagitt: “Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.”

Chris P: Where was everybody when both my parents died?

Chris, I am genuinely sorry for your loss. I hope that your folks were believers so that you will be united with them again someday.

However, by saying that, you strengthen Phil’s point in reverse. Because the answer is that you weren’t being attacked during your time of loss. “Where was everybody?” Not up in your proverbial grill.

I do hope this was due to ignorance on Ingrid’s part. Even someone as scuzzy as Ted Kennedy or Dick Durbin would back off during a time of grief.

I’m sorry for Dan Kimbell’s loss but this nation of leaders needs to wake up. CHristianity is not about a HAIRSTYLE. The door to our spiritual demise has flung wide open. This country is anything but Christian. When a Mayor in Bloomington, INDIANA (the midwest which is loathed and called “”Jesus Land” ) takes down the TEN COMMANDMENTS and puts up a statue of BUDDAH….we’ve got trouble in River CIty. WHen in Michagan fliers are put on windshields by Muslims that say Jews and Christians, you must convert to allah or die…we’ve got some spiritual mess up ahead. WHen emergents throw the foundational doctrines out the window we’ve got some problems. The church that was burned to the ground in Malibu was of the LIBERAL THEOLOGY that all emergents love. Burned to a crisp. I dont’ think gay marriage and gays in the pulpits are the theology of the LORD!! If you have not noticed ATLANTA is in a drought……(kinda biblical now) yet they will put up their stonehenge worship rocks in that region and call on the sun and moon. WE’VE GOT SOME BIG SPIRITUAL CONFUSION IN AMERICA…..THE LIVING GOD IS SHAKING THIS NATION FOR HIS PATIENCE HAS NEARLY COME TO AND END./…….THE WORLD IS FACING THE DAY OF THE LORD AND THEY ARE CLUELESS TO WHAT IT IS….DO A BIBLE STUDY ON THAT!!!! WHen Hal “Late Great Planet Earth” Lindsey sends a plea to this President (Who I do not believe is truly born again) and COndi Rice BEGGING them not to divide up Jerusalem and the masses in American CHristianity are clueless about the JUDGMENT to come when that dividing happens….we have problems. Rabid anti-semite Jimmy Carter was worshipped at Willow Creek!!! ICHABOD….You’re BLIND…..

ISRAEL AND JERUSALEM IS SET TO BE THE CUP OF TREMBLING…….and I would not count on the rapture theory to get you out. You may have to go thru the ENTIRE TRIBULATION PERIOD….but if the Book of Revelation means nothing to you while you slop and roll in greasy grace..then by all means….get a new hairstyle…The WORD OF FAITH movement is being slammed with it’s own scandal as Oral Roberts University tries to cover it’s nakedness now exposed. And the Paulk man from Georgia has some sorta incest going on!! Oh it STINKS in American Christianity….

When someone raises their hand and says….(in a meek voice” “I think America should repent” we’re blasted as bible thumping lunatics……

LOOK IN THE MIRROR…….OUR SPIRITUAL LEADERS ARE BLIND AND SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT . It’s not a DIALOG../……..

IT’S ABSOLUTE TRUTH…..YOU WILL OBEY IT OR BE DESTROYED BY IT……………….

You will FALL ON THE ROCK….CHRIST….OR THE ROCK WILL CRUSH YOU…………

We are in the last breath of the last days…….anti-christ is set to rise as clowns down in florida are already getting their 666 tattoos (!!!) on their bodies (!!!) as they worship some dude who says he is the messiah………..

(bullhorn cranked LOUD) ……….

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

research all these news tidbits I’ve mentioned…they are real stories happening in this land. Which proves the INSANITY THAT COMES FROM REJECTING THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH OF GOD’S WORD!!

My bad, I read the piece again and you got it right. Just delete me if you want.

Anybody notice how Ingrid said she was going to be more encouraging when Slice 3.0 came back on and it seems to me that all she does is attack. I guess she missed her own memo.

Tamela, TJ, Me…why all the deception? Why not just put your real name up there? Everytime. It would make it so much easier for me to create a greatest comments by TJ post.
Thanks

me,
I am confused…the only thing in your ranting and raving that had anything to do with our grieving brother was a reference to his hairstyle.
are you serious?
get off your soap-box and weep with those who are weeping.

No It’s tamela/T.J….

I put “me” not to cloud the meat of the post with my name…..see my name is not what is important…it is the message…and everything I cited in the post is happening in America. So please do not get hung up on who wrote what…..(onlu lovers of self do that)

but if the message is false…please prove it…..

Chris P.

Looks to me like Dan Kimball is the idol, as he is one of the anointed. He doesn’t deserve any better treatment than anyone else.

No, Dan is a fellow human being that Jesus died for to save and is in mourning over the loss of his father…

It seems your lack of compassion see no bounds!

I wonder if we read the same bible? My God is the same in Exodus Who states:

“The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,”

Yes, I know that there is more to the quote… yet you seem to not understand nor care to learn this half…

This is the same type of crap that you guys pulled when Kyle Lake died… and it is sick and depraved and evil.

iggy

TJ,me, or whoever….

WHen emergents throw the foundational doctrines out the window we’ve got some problems.

This is not true… they affirm the “foundational doctrines”… so in your rant is a lie.

Be Blessed,
iggy

me – when a comment becomes so disorganized in its vitriol that dissecting it is a college course, you then have obscured any point within the forest of your hyperbole and self serving literary screeching. Calm down, make a cogent point, and enter the dialogue with humble boldness.

Are you male or female?

As much as I strongly disagree with Ingrid and her unscriptural position, I find it difficult to believe she was aware of Kimball’s loss as she wrote her post. Really, I would be shocked.

as for Dan Kimbell….I’m sorry for his loss. But the emergent movement is dangerous and people need to be alerted to it.

TJ,

You sound unstable, and that is not meant as a put down.

ARNOLD IS NUTS

Yeah, but Grey Davis was about as honest as a mafia paid… oh wait, he was mafia paid!

Montana fires are pretty bad also, yet fires are natures way of cleaning out the debris… so being that we are nto following the natural course I see that the forests are burning worse every year and will encroached on more populated areas… so yes the fire is bad, but it is not the end of the world.

I find it funny though that if Cali burns then the end times are here! Yet thousand starve everyday or are murdered for their faith and not much is stated.

America was always guilty of sin… so why is is so much worse now?

ALL HAVE SINNED and fallen short the glory of God…

God does nto want to save America… He wants people to come into His Kingdom…

Again, there is so much hysteria in your rant… that to see God is still and always in control seems totally missed,

Be blessed,
iggy

CALIFORNIA IS BURNING because the R.I.N.O.

Wait… so the wild fires are Arnold’s fault?

Biblical support, please.

And you really saying that nothing bad happens to good conservative patriotic Christians like yourself?

whatever iggy… why do you hate america?

and maybe they don’t think that Americans save the world. i think that they think that Americans ARE the world…

dave,

Hate is a strong word…

The point is not about “me” it is about how many have lost sight of the gospel and turned it into the “American gospel”… We are a prosperous nation, not because we are so righteous… as “none are righteous”.

I just think that America, as great as it is, is nothing compared to God’s Kingdom… the thought is like when Paul states, “I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.”

In fact American knows little about actual sufferings. There are some, but the bulk have no idea even what it is to be hungry, cold, naked and so on, let alone almost beaten to death for our faith.

Nations will come and go, and America is just a man made nation…

Can you show me where in the scripture that it states any nation has some “special” favor from God… besides Israel? The only special favor is that God is long suffering and wants none to perish…

be blessed,
iggy

MG,

Amen!

iggy

Rick,
I am going to call you to stop it….

My funny bone can take it any more! LOL!

Blessings,
iggy

WTG Rick, don’t you feel powerful with this wonder invention of the internet. Well said……

wow…this whole thread is was hijacked almost from the start…

Chris P, deepest condolences on the loss of your parents.

Mike Corley, thanks for being humble about the Ingrid post. I hope it doesn’t jeopardize your relationships with her crowd.

And jeff, God is judging ORU……it just may come crashing down….the Word of Faith movement is blowing apart…..Paula White’s new book is “You’re All That”……………..
LOL LOL LOL

yeah…that’s what Jesus taught………..!!!!!! Get your bling on and pamper yourself at the Holy ghost spa…Hey Paula…..WORK ON YOUR MARRIAGE……I’ve had to…….

Wake me when the WOF has completely imlpoded…that’s where thery’re headed!

LOL

God deals with individual people in the New Testament, not countries. The church needs to repent, but America was never a Christian so how can she repent?

This is what happens when you bring Old Testament terminology into the New Testament. Individuals repent, either individually or collectively. To assign divine motive to the weather usually includes a measure of pride. I wonder why Denmark has no fires? How about Iran?

God says false deceivers will increase, not implode. What church do you go to T.J.?

Prediction: Next year when the Democrats control this country and our economy crashes, it will be the TJ’s screaming “See God’s judgement for voting prochoice, pro Gay candidates in office” Never mind all the warning signs that we have now that our economy is unsustainable……

BTW, I am not a Dem, I don’t care for their social stances, I just can’t stand what the NeoCon have done to our Nation…..

when Hillary is our President it will be because luke warm people in the church voted for the “lesser of two evils”…ONCE AGAIN…instead of voting for RIGHTEOUSNESS and then seeing what God will do. Go Huckabee!!

Our economy is going to crash becasue people in America (the church included) are lovers of mammon instead of lovers of God….see ORU implosion currebtly underway.

My “ranting” is nothing short of Patrcik Henry crying out (without a microphone or the internet, I might add)
GIVE mE LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH……

I’ve just updated HIS RANT…..GIVE ME RIGHTEOUSNESS OR GIVE ME DEATH…..this nation will repent or she will burn in destruction and judgment. I know it sounds “astonishing” to dulled ears…..passion is what threw off the restraints of England…and this same passion is what will THROW BACK ON THE “RESTRAINT of GODLINESS” IN THIS LAND….

TJ,
Righteousness and nations don’t go together anymore than asking what the prime number of flannel is.

First of all, TJ, I agree with your statements–in general. But, sister, you do not help the “cause”. I believe Emergent Theology is an oxymoron because I honestly see more of man’s needs, man’s desires, and man’s thinking himself wise yet becoming a fool than I see Scriptural Teaching and Practice. That I will contend with passion. (Say what you like boys) Your views on charismatic practices I do not hold to and I would address those another time as they are rather separate from this.
I would offer some advice from a brother. I have read the comments back and forth, and something concerns me. I see the same crass–sometimes even vulgar–and rude arguments from contributors like Jeff and others. That doesn’t surprise me. But truth of point aside, even relevance of subject matter to the discussion at hand aside, your arguments do not appear any different–except I do not recall the use of crass language in your comments. Which is good, but not enough for sound admonishment. Speak with passion! Yes, but coherent passion. Essentially, you’re “giving them what they want” by such arguments, and the truth of some of it is lost in the capital letters.

And what is the obscure iggy’s name? If that is your name, I apologize, but I simply found it hard to imagine. No offense.

Chris L,

True. Absolutely true. But true love of a neighbor must make sure he has the correct orthodoxy. Unfortunately, some do not do this in a loving way. I will grant you that. But did you ever consider that you may be no different? Love will sometimes be harsh, don’t forget that, but it will never be contrary to any part of Scripture.
It is not love to let another man continue in an idea that is contradictory to the Word of God. Is it. I am reminded of Priscilla & Aquilla. However, they were correcting–in love–a brother who did not have a problem accepting the Scriptures but rather, he did understand it entirely. “How dare they” we would say according to arguments I see here. Be careful men, we speak of things so great and profound, we have a serious responsibility to be accurate–which the Scripture is so all we need do is follow it.
In love,

SJ,

“I see the same crass–sometimes even vulgar–and rude arguments from contributors like Jeff and others.”

Please show mw how my comments we Vulger and Rude? You lost me on that one……..Direct and to the point maybe, I think vulger and rude is a little too much.

SJ,

Thanks for the clarity, I was confused, I may be direct and forthright in my opinions but I try not to be rude and vulger. That would be very crappily of me if I did…. HAHA Sorry, I had to do it.

“I simply do NOT find”

sorry

Tim Reed,

I would not bring into the temple something that even dogs will wipe from themselves.
Be careful what you assume Philosopher. I never said what you found “interesting”. I simply did not address it at the time due to it’s polluted content. I must first wipe away the infection, before the wound can be treated.
Being “offended” by “crappily”, which I will grant is mild comparatively, has nothing to do with timid sensibilities; “whatever things are lovely, whatever things are just…”

SW

“If I throw a rock into a pack of dogs and one yelps; it is probably the one that got hit.”

SJ,
Do you read Greek? I’m not being smart here, I am asking an honest question, because if you don’t my next question will not matter.

And Paul used the word skubala in Phillipians. That is way more offensive then crappily.

And dogs are known to eat their own skubala.

SJ said:

“If I throw a rock into a pack of dogs and one yelps; it is probably the one that got hit.”

This strikes me as perhaps the stupidest bit of “wisdom” I’ve ever read. Its basically saying that if you attack someone and they respond, then that’s the person you attacked. Wow. That’s just mind blowing there.

Taking a deeper look into it for a second it points out the obvious wrong. Whoever’s saying it is the one throwing rocks. What are you doing throwing rocks? Its justification by obviousness for attacking someone.

That kinda sounded like a yelp to me.

That kind of sounded like subscribing yet again to the stupidest bit of wisdom in the history of the universe.

Joe,

That is what I thought; this is where I have an issue with fundamentalism. Most people who subscribe to it have no idea how we got the scripture that we have today. A course in Textual Criticism doeth a man good…….

thanks for the critique SJ…..what sounds inchorent is my attempt at connecting all the dots at rapid fire….because I read so much about what is going on…in America, in the world and in prophetic timelines, and because I pray a lot….I think the Lord gives me spiritual wisdom and discernment. This is not said with a cocky attitude but more of with a heart wrenching plea….sorta like….

There is train headed straight for us….we’re on the tracks…tied down….I see the light…I hear the whistle….it’s not right on top of us yet but I am warning as many as I can…..LOOK OUT….THE TRAIN IS COMING……

people look bewildered and say “what train”?…I dont’ see or hear a train…..

so it’s like one conversation with some insight (from God, I believe) and the other part of the conversation just says..you’re nuts…you need help…calm down….LOL

T.J. – Your observation about God’s judgment is correct except the target is not America, the Scriptures teach it is the entire world (II Thess. 1). Try not to think as an American, think as a follower of Jesus Christ whose citizenship is not of this world.