Jim from Old Truth writes:
Every once in a while you run across a leader in the Church Growth Movement that has a verbal slip which reveals their thinking, and exposes the rotten root structure that this movement is based on. Now perhaps this church leader doesn’t realize what he’s just said, and his statement may not reflect his true beliefs, but have a look at point 3 in his list. He says: “It’s important to learn from churches bigger and smaller then you. Churches that are smaller have to be even more creative, because their success depends on it”. I certainly hope he doesn’t believe that ANY church’s success depends on human creativity. The Apostle Paul never talked like that; he spoke as though success depends on God, and he didn’t want to do anything that would replace or “enhance” the Gospel with human wisdom and cleverness. …
What Jim wants you to believe is that this particular writer believes that churches are the product of only man’s effort. But right there within the same article he quotes from is this:
I couldn’t open the doors that God has to help us grown and learn from people who are way smarter then us.
Wait a second Jim, you just told me that this guy believes that a church’s success is dependent only on man, so why is he crediting God with “opening the doors”? Maybe this was just a mistake.
We need to Lord’s help to get a full year at the school and then more help to renovate some huge building in town.
Wait. What? What’s going on here?
What’s going on is that Jim has either done some real sloppy investigative journalism, or he’s been deliberately deceptive about what the author is communicating. It gets even worse as the author responds to some of Jim’s disciples.
Most people tend to take the naive approach when listening to church planters or people in fast growing churches. Instead of assuming that we all want to see God move and that we are still preaching the same Gospel as First Baptist Somewhereville, they just throw the pastor under the bus for working harder.
Every church wants to grow. Differing methods don’t mean one church must be teaching out of the Koran instead of the Bible or that they are “entertaining†instead of praising God. It’s obtuse to think that pastors have forgotten that God is still sovereign [emphasis mine].
Of course this was written after Jim’s commentary, but I’m sure if Jim was just mistaken rather than malicious we’ll see an update shortly apologizing for his mistake and retracting his comments.



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“Of course this was written after Jim’s commentary, but I’m sure if Jim was just mistaken rather than malicious we’ll see an update shortly apologizing for his mistake and retracting his comments.”
ROTFLOL!
ooops! Did I do that out loud?
Note to self… internal dialog does not need to come out mouth…repeat… internal dialog does not need to come out mouth…
Blessings,
iggy
BTW the real laugh is that one has to do a snap shot of Jim’s blog as he will redirect people from any site that is critical of what he teaches…
I wonder, is he ashamed of the Gospel he professes?
It seems so… by his actions.
be blessed,
iggy
There is no doubt that many churches are going to absurd extremes in methodology in order to attract people. And I’ve been at churches where the Pastor seems more like an advertising agent rather than God’s conduit. I do not know about this church but we must be careful about how we draw people except if when they come they get the clear gospel.
Jesus gave away fish sandwiches but when they came they got Him.
Which problem is worse…. The pastor who uses absurd methodology to attract and then obstains from giving the true gospel or the believers who sit week in and week out under his teaching?
Is it the pastor’s calling to attract? Is not his calling to minister and teach to believers obedience? To encourage us toward our sanctification?
There are a multitude of Church members in comparison to pastors, we as regular, everyday, go-to-work people have Monday through Sunday to witness and live obedient holy lives before the world and I know I fall way short of my responabilities. It seems we have put the responsability on the Church.