it’s amazing what they can discern!
Once again, the watch doggies pick and choose what they want their listers to hear. Over at Slice, an article was posted condemning Rick Wakeman for providing the soundtrack for a film called “Aleister Crowley: The Wickedest Man in the World: In Search of the Great Beast 666″. They give the normal banter about being separate from the world and proceed to tell their reader what the persons true motives for doing something like this are.
If taking jobs for the devil is the only way to make a living, time to find a new skill. I am fully convinced that there is nothing, absolutely no sin whatsoever, that today’s “Christians†can not find a way to justify. Then they send out defensive press releases to sooth their consciences.
It’s amazing what they can discern from one press release. Of course they leave out this from the press release in their article
There is no doubt that Alistair Crowley was one of the most evil men that walked this earth. His story is a testament to everything that is anti Christian. I find it astonishing that anyone should think, because I am doing music for a documentary film on his life, that that means I support his views. That couldn’t be further from the truth… My personal view is that, for as long as possible, films about evil people should be shown in order to educate continuing generations what evil can do. If you read the New Testament, it is full of examples where Jesus mixed with some of the worst people in society. Should he have not done so? Of course he should. Did this mean he condoned their ways? Of course not!… Once again I must make it very clear that by supplying music for any subject matter does not mean I condone the subject matter.
I am amazed at how these watch doggies know more about a person’s motives than the person themself. I guess God has bestowed on them discernment that none other besides God has had.
August 3rd, 2007 at 10:42 am
I think it also comes from the broken idea that when you watch something, you participate in it. That no film, song or book can contain anything you wouldn’t do yourself. That they need every last bit of a film, book or song to fit with their worldview, otherwise it’s paramount to sin.
That there is no learning from seeing the opposite, that there is no growth in seeing the lack of something. One of the most important lessons I ever had given to me in hospitality was when I watched the film White Oleander, a film where there are many actions that clash with my worldview but watching the complete lack of hospitality in the film caused me to learn about the importance of it. The same with In the Bedroom and properly grieving, or Frankenstein and what it means to have a loving creator.
And since that is out of bounds it’s also wrong for you to participate in their creation. I’m sure this film will have a ton to say about what it means to avoid evil by seeing the darkness in Alister Crowleys life.
August 3rd, 2007 at 10:51 am
I wonder if they apply the same type of reasoning to their own jobs, purchasing decisions, the country/state/municipality they choose to live in, the services they choose to engage etc.
For example, all of the watch doggies are buying internet usage from someone, and chances are those someones are advertising their services based on the ability to download music and movies. Music and movies that are disapproved of by these same watch doggies.
How is that any different than the complaint leveled here?
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 am
Ingrid’s husband is a thirty year professional musician. OK, Ingrid, we get it again and again. I’m sure all the times you referenced his many hours of practice and the high quality of music he plays as compared to others, I’m sure you give God all the glory.
Sometimes I feel physical pain when I read such profound pride and judgment with a personal reference to add to the self righteousness. If you do not have love, you have NOTHING. (Paul - circa 55 AD) It is true that many who get saved in such secular venues have struggles that we cannot identify with. The first year I got save I read my Bible while smoking a cigarrette and for six months I slipped back into drinking and some drugs. I would have been incredible fodder for posts like Ingrid wrote. After hearing this Chris L. might ban me!
She might have claimed I was not saved, which, she probably ponders now along with others. The “you’re not saved” card is such a valuable tool which is never accompanied by intercessory prayer and fasting for the object of such disdain and scorn. God hates a proud look, I guess that just means frowning.
It goes beyond sad. Let us pray for Wakeman, that Christ will shine through him in a very dark world.
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:25 am
I see lines like this often here at CRN.info: “They give the normal banter about being separate from the world”
This question is not in regards to a specific anything in this particular article, but do you believe that a believer ought to separate from the sinful elements of the world and its system?
How do you interpret 1 John 2:15-17
or how about the end of 2 Corinthians 6?
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 am
Clearly-
Yes, we should separate ourselves from the sinful elements of the world. Like drinking, but not getting drunk. Like having sex, but within a heterosexual marriage. Like choosing carefully what movies/television you watch, but choosing not to view pornography. The list could go on and on.
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:42 am
Dave - yes we should all be on a journey of separation from evil works, but we must be careful about separating totally from sinners. The Scriptures clearly direct us to be salt among them, and even to fellowship on some level with unsaved adulterers, for example. But many would castigate Ingrid’s husband Tom for playing in secular orchestras, so it comes down to where do you draw the line?
But instead of a Scriptural post that TEACHES about separation with a humble attitude that allows for discussion, Ingrid calls Wakeman’s name personally and publicly castigates and demeans him. She has no idea where is is in his walk or the struggles he has overcome and any he still faces.
There is no compassion, just self serving judgment from women who would never pick up the phone and call Wakeman to let him know she was praying for him. It is a drive by verbal shooting that has none of Christ’s spirit in it, and this from me who doesn’t even attend movies. Sometimes people who have drawn a separation line in their own lives are blinded to the line of humility that has been drawn by Christ (Phil.2)
August 3rd, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Kevin,
I’m truly curious by what you mean by “lack of hospitality” that you noted in “White Oleander.” I’ve not seen the movie, but you’ve made me curious. What do you mean? Were they mean to each other — what do you mean by lack of hospitality? Could you explain that a bit more, and how/why that struck you as important?
August 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Well, I’ll try to do it as much as possible without spoiling the film to much.
The movie is about a young girl who’s mom is put in prison for a serious crime. Her mom wasn’t much of a mom to begin with and has left a serious void in the daughters life. Her daughter is then put into a variety of foster and adoptive situations and at each stop, the foster parent, worker or adoptive parent took her in seems genuine at first, but you soon learn that each took her in for a self-serving reason.
She ends up having to leave each place because of the selfish reasons she was taken in to beging with. She is not shown real hospitality at all except by one peer.
If there was one person who was able to provide the hopsitality and care she needed, the whole cycle would have broken down. If there was one person who genuinely took her in to show her hospitality, the whole situation could have taken a different turn.
To me it stuck out as important because I’ve been surrounded by very hospitable people, and seeing such a base lack of it in that film was a reminder to provide hospitality wherever it is needed and to do so unselfishly.
August 4th, 2007 at 10:45 am
Kevin
I know exactly what you mean. I watched a ‘Cold Case’ (I know - we all have vices!) the other week about a Mother with 2 young kids who were left homeless after the Dad died. All i could think about was - why no family (his or hers), no friends, no church there to help them? It made me sad that this happens right under our nose and we don’t do anything.