style or content. Which is it? **UPDATED**

Posted by Nathan on Jul 2nd, 2007
2007
Jul 2

I have been reading a lot of posts from the watch doggie blogs lately that critique style much more that theology. This was Ingrid’s comment from a recent post

Imagine having to compete with the entertainment moguls. Imagine the money you’d have to spend staying cool and buying endless media equipment, attending endless conferences on how to generate the most buzz and investing in those expensive salon haircuts just to stay relevant.

Is she really now critiquing haircuts? After being quite cynical over a conference that had leather sofas for pastor to sit in, she quoted this line from an Isaac Watts hymn:

Must I be carried to the skies on flowery beds of ease,
While others fought to win the fight and sailed through bloody seas?

Is she serious? I am tired of posts that deal almost exclusively with style. You know, I am perfectly fine with someone who comes up to me after a Sunday gathering at Mosaic and says I prefer hymns over modern music. It’s when someone says that GOD prefers hymns over modern music that my blood starts to heat up. It’s absolutely ridiculous to think that God cares about the seating arrangement at a conference. Here was Ingrid’s closing comments

As pomo pastors recline in their leather theater seats, plotting how to impress a jaded American culture, a generation is denied the preaching of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. What is wrong with this generation of boy/men emerging leaders with their fancy websites, their adolescent fascination with video games and movies, and their vulgar contempt for anyone who questions them? …What a strange world we live in now and how pitiful that this Buzz Conference is now the status quo for pastors conferences. It’s those reclining leather theater seats that really say it all. What a real slice of Laodicea.

So, I don’t get it. How exactly do websites and haircuts deny the preaching of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ? Maybe if some of these watchdoggies actually did their homework, they would find that the emerging movement goes way beyond the movies and seating styles. They might just find that we are not trying to be relevant to culture, but actually living in and affecting the culture of today. They would possibly see that the world isn’t stuck in the culture of the eighteenth century, and neither is God. That maybe he is actually moving and creating with culture today.

I know we have had a thousand of these posts before. But, I think it is a good reminder that God wants to restore this generation to himself as well as the generation that grew up in a very modern era.

**UPDATE**

Right after I published this, Ingrid posts this:

Church used to be a house of prayer for believers to come together, hear the preaching of the Word, worship the Lord corporately as those who belong to Jesus, share the Lord’s Supper and go out into the world as witnesses, strengthened and empowered by what the Lord had done in their midst. That’s all gone now. Church is now for the unbeliever. Christians are expected to put up with no end of insult, whether it be stupid movie clips, hot bands, Sundays at the theater, Elvis wanna-be’s, and the like, just so unconverted Joe will like church well enough to come back next Sunday for stupid movie clips, hot bands, Sundays at the theater, Elvis wanna-be’s and so forth. It never gets any deeper in these churches because it can’t. Joe Six-Pack will leave and that reduces the numbers.

Notice how she talks about the non-beleiver.  It’s pretty sad and pretty selfish if you ask me.

Love’s Embodiment

Posted by Chris L on Jul 2nd, 2007
2007
Jul 2
Guest article by Henry (Rick) Frueh  

God is love…

God does not just give love, or show love, or bestow love, but God is love. You may as well throw away the earthly definitions that are embedded with the term love, for they do not apply here. The world’s view of love is either physical or romantic, they know nothing of the divine power called love which even though God needs nothing, He sacrifices everything. Man has a need for love, God is love, He needs nothing more than Himself. So exactly what kind of love is it that comes in the form of death?

Not the swashbuckling love that faces danger to rescue his damsel, that love results in an enhancement to the hero’s reputation, but God’s love comes with no reputation. Hollywood’s love responds to the beauty and innocence of a lady in distress, God’s love rescues the repulsive enemies of His own nature. Storybook love defeats the enemy with skill and daring while God’s love triumphs with the shame of death’s cross. Fairytale love paints the characters as deserving objects of affection, God’s love pulsates from Himself without the dilution of an attractive object, His love is purely Him and operates from the unconditional glory that defines Him.

And behold, what kind of love, even when given in the smallest particle, is still the whole? What kind of love gives the whole and yet the supply is never diminished? What kind of love gives out its own essence without consideration of its object’s worthiness? And when you receive the love of God you receive Him, in all His fullness, and interconnected with the entirety of God’s love to mankind, Himself in Jesus. God did not just send His love, He came as His love and to everyone who believes He seals His love with Himself inside the spirit of every born again follower of Jesus, our Lord and Lover.

The love of God has no depth or width or length or height, it is immeasurable and like the cruse of oil given to the Shunammite woman by the Prophet Elisha, God’s love will never fail. The supply cannot suffer loss and it is embodied in the Lord God Himself and made manifest unto us by the Lord Jesus Christ. God has in times past spoken to us in many different ways and through many different people, but He has in these last days spoken to us through His Son the Lord Jesus.

Oh the love that drew salvation’s plan…

We did not deserve a tiny piece of the afterthought of God’s love, but we have been made recipients of it all. By His matchless grace we have been made worthy of His love by His love. Go ahead and run that one around in that serotonin cesspool we are so proud of, but without the Spirit we cannot even see. God loves us with an everlasting love and the same love wherewith He loved the Son He has loved us also, as has the Son. Now after we have discussed all the many different ways in which God exhibits His love, and after we talk about the love of a mother to her child, and after we submit to the truth that God loved us first, someone might ask, “Can we see God’s love?”. Now no one has seen God and lived, but if you want to see God’s love in all its fullness don’t look into the vast star filled universe; don’t go to Bethlehem’s stable; don’t go to the tomb of Lazarus; don’t go to the parade route into Jerusalem. In those you will see magnificent representations of the God who is love.

But if you want to see God’s love in all its glorious fullness, complete and wanting nothing, then you must remove your shoes, fall to your knees, and lift your head to an inconspicuous place just outside Jerusalem’s gates. You will see soldiers, but they are not your focus. You will see thieves, but they too are not your focus. Open your eyes and your heart and place your entire focus upon the figure in the very center of this bloody scene, hanging upon a horrific cross, bleeding from all parts of His body, mocked and despised, brutally beaten, almost naked before His mother, and abandoned by His Father, and if you get just a glimpse in a moment of understanding,

you will have seen the embodiment of God’s love in all its eternal fullness.
Jesus
Praise His Matchless Name Forevermore.

El Niño and the Emergent Church

Posted by Chris L on Jul 2nd, 2007
2007
Jul 2

Watchdawggie doing what is natural at the keyboardSeveral years ago, after the great explosion of 24/7 News channels, a problem arose.  Once the Clinton scandals settled down, there was little real news to be had that would fill 24/7 programming.  So, to fill the air, a lot of ‘fluff’ stories and sensationalist segments took on lives of their own.  One in particular was that of “El Niño” - a weather pattern in the equatorial ocean which has an affect on world weather.

As the summer wore on, it seemed like everything was being blamed on El Niño, even when the remotest of plausible connections seemed ludicrous.  You knew it had reached a tipping point when Jay Leno was blaming a lack of good summer movies on the effects of El Niño.

That time has passed, but the need for some sort of all-encompassing scapegoat has not.

Case in point today is the ‘Emergent Church’.*

First, we have the issue of an Episcopal (NOTE: Not Emergent) priest (NOTE: Emergent and emerging churches do not have priests, and shudder at such heirarchies which run opposed to a fully encompassing view of the priesthood of all believers), Ann Holmes Redding, who has embraced Islam without leaving the Christian church.  I happened to see this same story on the cover of the Seattle newspaper on a Washington state ferry a couple of weeks ago, with ‘I am a Christian Muslim’ emblazoned above the picture of Ms. Redding.

Though I have not conferred with the other writers here at CRN.info, I would be willing to bet that - to a one - the idea of Christianity and Islam being a compatible match would strike every one of them (as well as me) as sheer lunacy.

Now, there is no indication that you would find broad support of a ‘Christian Muslim’ faith within the diverse Emergent/emerging churches.  While some Emergent Village (a small liberal subset of the entire EC movement) figures fall somewhere between open theism and universalism, most emerging churches (which are the majority in the EC) do not.  Mark Driscoll, Dan Kimball, Bob Hyatt and a host of other ‘emerging’ church figures I am certain would not (and do not) support such pantheistic/univeralistic theology.

Which is exactly why it is not surprising that Ken Silva would trot out his El Niño for a sick exercise in attacking part of the body of Christ.

In today’s miss-ive, Mr. Silva writes:

note also that her spiritually obtuse “Bishop Vincent Warner of the Episcopal Diocese of Olympia told the Seattle Times that Redding”s embrace of Islam has not been controversial in his diocese.”

His next paragraph is this:

Did you catch that? The effect of the neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church upon American Christianity is such that embracing two diametrically opposed faiths hasn’t even “been controversial” in her diocese.

Did you catch that?  In the entire first half of the article and in the linked articles, the Emergent Church is mentioned exactly zero times.  Now, jarringly, it is El Niño’s the Emergent Church’s fault that one of the most liberal of mainline churches (NOTE: Not Emergent Churches), the US Episcopal church, in one of its most liberal diocese, western Washington State, has a nutcase priestess who has attempted to be a Christian Muslim (which is like trying to be a fertile eunuch).  And somehow, this is the fault of a hugely diverse (but yet, broadbrushed) group of churches who have no broad support for wacky ‘Christian-Mormon’ doctrine.

This is just one more example of C?N’s complete lack of research and zeal to slander, smear and divide the church.  But there’s more:

Well guess what, since I first covered this at Christian Research Net this sickening story hasn’t even been controversial to the Christian public at large either. Which is even more evidence of the fetid fruit of the egregious and ecumenical emerging church movement.

Really?  It was published in the Christian Post and elsewhere.  I saw it two weeks ago in the secular press and commented to my son how sad a thing it was that someone who was supposed to be a church leader didn’t have the sense to see that Allah is not YHWH and that you cannot have both in existence.  Additionally, there are significant Anglican voices speaking out against this woman’s lunacy (for those of you who need a scorecard, the Episcopal church is a part of the Anglican church).

Additionally, SBC radio host and frequent Silva whipping boy, Al Mohler, Jr., and other prominent Christian voices quickly noted that Redding was off her rocker and that being a ‘Christian Muslim’ is about as orthodox as baptizing farm animals. 

Interestingly, Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, has spoken several times about Islam in very black/white terms, and about its ‘truth claims’ which are incompatible with Christianity.  So - the pastor of one of the largest emergent churches in one of the most liberal cities in the USA - the same city as the “Christian Muslim Priestess” - is publicly on record vociforously opposing such nonsense.  But does Ken take this into account?  If you’re reading it here, you already know the answer.

At Apprising Ministries I have been attempting to warn you that at the heart of this Emergent Church, which is not a move of the Holy Spirit, is the eventual bringing together of all religions.

Really, Ken?  That’s an awfully self-assured statement from one not in any place to know.  About the only thing you’ve proven in this article is your divisiveness, which, sadly, is addressed in Titus 3:11.

As I remember that summer of years past - the summer of El Niño - I take a bit of solace remembering that eventually it passed, and by the next summer season, a new scapegoat had surfaced: La Niña.  And so, I wonder, when will this season pass - and who will be blamed for all ills next?

*This is not differentiating between the Emergent Church (an actual network of left-leaning churches in Emergent Village) and the emerging church (a movement within multiple branches of Christianity, from conservative to liberal), as the author of the hit-piece in quesion does not make the distinction, and at least one writer on C?N blatantly (and intellectually dishonestly) refuses to even acknowledge the difference between the two.