No Hiding Here Ingrid . . .And no Comment Banning
Ingrid,
Welcome to SlicedLaodicea. It’s different from your blog because here we discuss the facts instead of attacking and maligning those who we disagree with. Please, read my article on what was done at the Saddleback Christmas Service. Please, feel free to disagree with my opinion that the historic Gospel message was clearly delivered.
Please, read my post on the “straw man” that Bob DeWaay sets up in trying to prove that Rick Warren has somehow left his evangelical faith for a New Age ideology. Please feel free to disagree with the specifics.
Nobody is hiding here, Ingrid, we’re not even hiding behind your comment to me when you banned me from your site and I quote:
“I have only my site and only a couple of helpers to screen comments. I do not have Rick Warren’s vast resources to spread his message. Surely, I am entitled this one blog without being required to post JohnD’s purpose driven dogma.”
Well, at this site Ingrid, we don’t even have one or two helpers to restrict the commenting so it’s come one come all. I wonder what would happen at your site if you allowed unrestricted comment for a day? You would probably get some garbage, but I’m guessing you would expose yourself to a lot of valid criticism. Who knows, we all might learn something in the dialog process.
By the way, the comment in question that angered you so much was two verses from 1 Peter. Here was the post:
Finally, all of you should be of one mind. Sympathize with each other. Love each other as brothers and sisters. Be tenderhearted, and keep a humble attitude. Don’t repay evil for evil. Don’t retaliate with insults when people insult you. Instead, pay them back with a blessing. That is what God has called you to do, and he will bless you for it.
1 Peter 3:8-9 (NLT)
I do like the fact that you called it “Purpose Driven dogma” because I’ve always believed that what we teach at Saddleback is the Bible.
Peace.
John Gilbert Draper
January 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
It’s funny to watch the emergent guys start coming out with their names after they get smoked out of hiding. Patrick and John are quick to report in as Real Men Emergents–after they get fingered for hiding. Too bad it only came after Ingrid had to shame it out of you! Better late manhood than none at all I guess.
Grace and Peace from Val.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Val,
If you notice, all original blog posts have (and had, save 2 that I fixed) names attached to them prior to Ingrid’s post. Also, Patrick’s name was known (and the fact that his moniker was an Anagram of Ingrid’s) prior to Ingrid’s supposed ‘outing’ of him.
The other articles catalogued here, are links to articles from other blogs, all of which have established authorship. I’ve made no secret as to my identity (and I can provide you links to places signed by me with links to this site from a couple of weeks ago).
Also, it’s interesting that John, Patrick and myself have all been tagged as ‘emergent’, when none of us claim affiliation with the ECM…
January 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Val,
Thanks for your views and support. Point being, nobody has been hiding at all. Now if it makes you feel better to take shots at my manhood, then hey, knock yourself out.
I’m assuming that you are a Christian sister, so I would just admonish you to be gentle in accordance with 1 Peter quoted above. As I’m sure you know, the male ego is a frail thing. LOL!
John
January 4th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
Seriously, John, I hear you but you have to realize that your blogroll is a who’s who of emergent sites. Both you and Patrick’s sites have nearly all emergent links so I’m not sure why you’d do that if you’re not emergent. Just wondering.
January 4th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Val,
I pay the bills for this site, and I’ve listed my church & stuff on my blog yesterday here: http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/?p=107
While I am sympathetic to the ‘missional’ aspects of the emergent church, I still disagree with some of the orthodoxy there. The blogroll here is of sites that have been catalogued (or are being catalogued) to include articles here. The biggest contributors - Fishing the Abyss and Verum Serum - are not emergent,
January 4th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Val,
I’m a baby boomer who goes to Saddleback Church. Definitely not emergent or emerging because from an ecclesiological standpoint, they don’t like mega-churches. Hey they have something in common with SOL. Does that make SOL emergent?
January 4th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
That everyone slings around the word “emergent” directed towards anyone they disagree with is part of the problem: Rev. Silva, et. al. have been slinging so much mud with such a wide use of the word “emergent” that the word no longer has meaning.
I am not part of an emergent church by any long shot. At all. I’ve got my own little collection of books by DeWaay and Yungen, never posted anything that would hint at emergent, faithfully attend the Worldview Weekends, have handed out Ray Comfot tracts, have corresponded in agreement with one of the posters at Slice via private email and enjoyed his site…good grief. It’s as if some people need a listing of some kind of meaningless credentials in order to avoid a faceful of poorly thought-out judgments.
It shouldn’t amaze me, but it does. Ingrid or Ken posts something at Slice, sends their little ankle-biters over to offending sites, who then throw around the terms and quasi-learning they think they’ve gotten at Slice, and then go back and say 50 “amen, Ingrid”’s, talk about how hard it is being the remnant and how great they are for being strong, sign off with “come Lord Jesus” and call it a day. Unreal.
Val, and anyone else here from Slice, please do some reading and research on the blog you are about to rant against. You will find that there might not be the supposed anonymity or doctrinal catastrophes you were told.
I think it would behoove people who leaves comments on blogs, and even writes for blogs, to get a better understanding on “anonymity”, proxies, registrar information, domain information, comment registration, etc. before making these kinds of claims.
January 4th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Good post, man. I dislike how Ingrid and her cronies say they dislike slander and name-calling, but the minute someone disagrees (or even has a pulse), the names and accusations get thrown around. People there need to stop acting so high-and-mighty and realize that yes, they may have an opinion, but they aren’t the be-all and end-all for all things Godly.
CP
http://amour217.blogspot.com
January 5th, 2007 at 12:14 am
I’ve not contributed here, but if asked I would. My name is right on the side over there. It’s the one that says, “JOE MARTINO.” If Ingrid and Mr. Ken Silva–as an ordained pastor, I find his claim that his BLOG is an arm or the SBC denomination is ridiculous beyond the point of lunacy–or anyone else want to call me out, and attack my manhood, that’s fine. But my name is up there and if you go to my BLOG you can easily find my posts about SLICE. I have something of a internet relationship with you, Val and with Chris at his site, but this is ridiculous. Nobody here is hiding their name. I’m certainly not. I’ve not attacked anyone personally. I just think Ingrid and Ken, and most of the commentors on SLICE make wild jumps in their conclusions and often their wild jumps are wrong. So here I am world! My name is JOE MARTINO and I believe the the site called Slice of Laodicea does much harm to the body of Christ. You can find my blog at http://www.joemartino.typepad.com You’ll find a wonderful banner with pictures of me, and my entire family. But hey, I’m just hiding behind anonymity.