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Source: Verum Serum

Comments: Scott notes that Slice has decided to take a break from all-Rick-Warren-all-the-time coverage briefly to criticize a church that uses dance in its worship. He then proceeds to agree that modesty is important, but that there IS Biblical precedent in using dance to worship the Lord.
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OK, Ingrid, we get the point. Anything that isn’t like your church is bad, and anything that doesn’t match up to your expectations is bad, and anyone who does things differently than you do is bad. And certainly, any church that is using dance in some way CAN’T be worshipping Biblically and CAN’T be using Scripture and the preaching of the Word properly. And it goes without saying that nobody who dances in church or who supports the use of dance would be prayerful in their Christian life.

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Now obviously, we don’t know what David’s dancing looked like, nor do we know what kind of dancing Solomon had in mind in Ecclesiastes or what the Psalmist(s) had in mind when mentioning praising God with dance. BUT…we do know that dance is mentioned in a positive light and as one of the useful “tools” for worship, praise and celebration.

But I guess, since dance isn’t practiced in Ingrid’s “stodgy” church, it shouldn’t be practised in any form in any church.

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[Scott replying in comments] She rails against contemporary worship and longs for the good ol’ hymns of her youth, but ignores that those hymns were railed against by the establishment and authorities of the day. When her favorite hymns were penned, those songs were called “hymns of worldly composure” and were deemed man-centered because of the introduction of the human experience and first person perspective.

She freaks out about churches meeting in movie theaters, but ignores the fact that Charles Wesley’s church was called The Foundry because it met in an old, converted foundry…which again really bothered the establishment and authorities of the time who felt like such a building wasn’t appropriate for the proper and respectful worship of God.

She and Ken spend the bulk of their time discussing the evils of Rick Warren, Rob Bell et al, but spend very little ink discussing how the fruit of Warren’s Saddleback church carries far more weight with it than does her feeble attempts at trying to point to something that is wrong with his theology. For the most part, they ignore the fruit (1000’s of baptisms, hundred’s of home studies, 1000’s of church members going out and ministering to the needy, etc) and just try to cover it all with a lame characterization of the fruits as “suspect conversions.”

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Source: Russ’ Ramblings

Comments: Russ posts a rebut of Ingrid’s ascetic view of dancing, along with laments about missing/unapproved posts. He also notes that the legalistic views don’t take too kindly to contextual use of scripture.
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I do feel badly for these legalists - life seems to have no joy for them, but their Pharisee-like approach I guess makes them feel good. Of course they will deny they are like the Pharisees, they are discerners and out to call out all that is wrong in Christendom. I really should let them go and continue in their holy huddle - they don’t want to listen to other Christians who have a differing point of view.

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